The Ukrainian people did not seem to support him, so that is up for question.
The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam
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You still dont get it....it is not that the Wall Street Mafia/CIA did not try for peace, they demanded this war.....they were sure that the Imperial Empire would win it and then we would resume the Rape of Russia.
Instead we got humiliated.....this is one of the biggest military blunders in all of history.
Check the news.Absolute nonsense. Russia debt as a percentage of its GDP is only 14.9%. I don't know a single European country whose debt is less than 20% of GDP. Canada's is 108%, the United States is 122%. You may wish to take a look at the following website to better inform yourself as to country's debt in relation to their GDP:
Debt to GDP Ratio by Country 2025
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Ah yes, the news...
See all that grey in the northeast, and southeast, that is territory that Ukraine has taken back from Russia.
The four important cities on that map are:
1) Odesa(in South), a predominantly Russian speaking city which if Russia captured it would cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea, and outflank the Ukrainians. Russia tried hard to capture it, but failed miserably.
2) Kherson(in South) the most important city in the "Four Donbas Provinces" which Putin claims are part of Russia. It was captured by Russia, but later liberated by Ukraine.
3) Kharkiv(in North) the second biggest city of Ukraine, it was captured by Russia, but then Russia was driven out.
4) Kyiv the capital. Putin put 100,000 forces into capturing it, but they were driven back.
The western Ukrainians has been more European minded for a while- they're the ones who had doubts about him. The eastern side, on the other hand, was much closer to Russia, and so was solidly in Yanukovych's camp when it came to rejecting the EU agreement after Russia had let its views on the potential deal be known. In terms of numbers, it was almost a dead heat between them- the only poll I know of (quoted below), those against the EU deal were actually a higher percentage than those in favour. The European Union -could- have tried to work out a deal that would have pleased everyone. Yanukovych was certainly looking to find such a deal. But they were having none of it. Journalist Kit Knightly elaborated on this quite well in an article that was published on Off Guardian the day that Russia launched its military operation in Ukraine. Quoting from it:
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SEPTEMBER [2013]
The Ukrainian cabinet unanimously approves the draft of the long-awaited Ukraine-EU Association Agreement. Yanokuych is expected to officially sign the agreement at the EU’s “Eastern Partnership Summit” in Vilnius on November 28th and 29th.
Russia – Ukraine’s major creditor and biggest trade partner – warns that this treaty would “cause chaos”, break the terms of an existing treaty between Ukraine and Russia, and lead to Ukraine’s economy collapsing. As a counteroffer, they suggest Ukraine sign a new deal with the Eurasian Economic Union.
NOVEMBER
The Ukrainian government issues a decree suspending preparations for the association agreement (AA). Deputy Prime Minister Yuriy Boyko warns the current terms of the agreement would “seriously damage the economy”.
“Pro European” demonstrations begin in Maidan square within days of the decree being issued. A poll run by the Kyiv Post finds an even split on joining the EU vs the Eurasian customs union: 39% for, 37% against.
Yanukovych attends the Eastern Partnership Summit on the 28th, but does not sign the Association Agreement, instead suggesting a new tri-lateral agreement between Ukraine, Russia and the EU. Russia is open to negotiating such a deal, but EU rejects this offer completely.
Despite not signing the AA, Yanukovych tells the press that Ukraine still intends to work for closer ties with the EU: “an alternative for reforms in Ukraine and an alternative for European integration do not exist…We are walking along this path and are not changing direction”.
Prime Minister Mykola Azarov echoed this: “I affirm with full authority that the negotiating process over the Association Agreement is continuing, and the work on moving our country closer to European standards is not stopping for a single day”.
Nevertheless, this is ubiquitously covered in the Western media as Yanukovych “refusing to sign the association agreement in favour of closer ties with Russia”.
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Full article:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…
off-guardian.org
So, some questions for you- why do you suppose that the EU didn't want to work out a deal that would have pleased everyone? And why do you suppose that the western media omitted the fact that Yanukovych had been trying hard to find such a deal?
Alright. You may have noticed I don't listen to pod casts that often
. I'm much more of an article type of guy.I did not either till only a few years ago, and I still almost never do the 2-3 hour jobs (who has the time for that?).Alright. You may have noticed I don't listen to pod casts that often
Text is much more efficient so that I can speed read and skip what does not interest me, but I ended up feeling like I have no choice.
This really started with me with Darkhorse around March 2020, as I was trying to understand what I now call the Plandemic, and this was about the only place that was helping me.
My Grapevine constantly changes, but currently I would say that I spend about 95% of my time on YouTube and X......most of the rest at various places people I follow post something on Substack of some other place. (which I generally find out about on X)...my consumption of Regime Media is now almost nil.
I actually did watch a documentary called Plandemic I believe. But yeah, I don't watch too much videos- as you say, it's about the time. I tend to reserve my video watching time for TV series. Currently started watching the first few episodes of Severance. Didn't think I'd get into it, but it's really beginning to get me interested, though sometimes the scenes are hard to watch- not much in the way of violence, just... let's say I know a bit about corporate culture and I hate it.
I am retired, with almost no responsibilities...I have the time for extensive grapevine curation and talks that almost no one else does.....but this sucks.....that it is come to this.....that one must now put in so much time to evade the narrative controls and constructions of our abusers to figure out the truth is proof that we are in Big Fucking Trouble.
Same regarding regime media. It's a bit funny, since I have very cheap subscription to both New York Times and Washington post (2 bucks a month for each), but I only read them when one of my trusted authors starts commenting on one of their articles, such as the recent New York Times article on the formerly clandestine operations that the U.S. was doing in Ukraine.
I'm a pretty big fan of substack at this point- it's all so organic. An author I trust recommends or outright quotes another substack author and before I knew it, I was subscribed to a lot of authors
. Some of my favourite authors have paywalls on a lot of their articles, but even reading the first bit that's free can be good. And I do on occassion pay for a substacker or 2 for a month if I find some paywalled article that I really want to finish.On the plus side, without the internet, we wouldn't have any of this. So three cheers for that
.The New Slavers have a plan for that.....look at Chinese internet and social media for illustration.On the plus side, without the internet, we wouldn't have any of this. So three cheers for that
As an example of where we are the Trump people are leaking to the press that Kirill Dmitriev is coming to Washington to meet with Witkoff, the Russians say "we'll see".
Also, Kellogg is babbling again.....this time about how a ceasefire is almost here.....and that the Russians are going to have to piss away their demands.....kicking our asses in war does not mean anything.
Also, Kellogg is babbling again.....this time about how a ceasefire is almost here.....and that the Russians are going to have to piss away their demands.....kicking our asses in war does not mean anything.
We are now at two and a half years of Ukrainians having a beachhead on the left side of the Dnieper, and the Russians have been unable to press to the river, much less across it. There is always a chance that the Russians might do it this Spring, but they have not done it the previous years... And there is no evidence that the Russians have ever successfully done this maneuver.
They are mostly sending poorly trained soldiers ahead in small units to capture a few more feet of ground. That does not get them across a major river.
Your words generally have nothing to do with reality....your posts are best taken as performance art.