The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

Our conventional military is very weak.....a shell of what it was in 1995 and that force had major problems that we got away with because we never went to war with a peer.

If a conventional war starts with a peer then we very quickly get to the day that we must admit that we lost or go nuclear.

After watching what we have done in Ukraine which do you figure it is?

I'm hoping it's the latter. Some people, such as Dutch Uncle, thinks we won in Vietnam "militarily". I don't understand his logic, but perhaps those in power can persuade themselves that they "won" militarily in Ukraine or otherwise and let it go.
 
Yes, but I don't think that Russia's doing that. I think they see the U.S. like a reasonable person would see a mad man with a gun. Yes, he's mad, but he's also got a gun and so you have to try to reason with the fellow.
The Russians and the Chinese have a plan to try to prevent the Imperial Empire toasting the world on the way out......even with my superb grapevine I dont know what that is, but I suspect that it is to do a controlled implosion of the West....to a great degree it has looked like they already run America....I mean the mass theft of the federal treasury, destroying the culture and the mass illegal import of people who want America and Europe converted to their ways......this sort of thing is exactly what the Chinese would script.
 
I'm hoping it's the latter. Some people, such as Dutch Uncle, thinks we won in Vietnam "militarily". I don't understand his logic, but perhaps those in power can persuade themselves that they "won" militarily in Ukraine or otherwise and let it go.
Washington internally admitted to themselves April 2024 that they have lost this war, when this was beyond obvious after the so called Spring Offensive....and yet they have kept it going, they have kept escalating.

Even Trump has completely refused to shut it down.
 
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Do you really believe that second sentence?
Ukraine retains a strip of high ground in Kursk that is not worth much, but would be difficult to take, so Russia is just accepting it for the time being.

I remember once that Ukraine had made a beachhead in some swampy terrain east of the Dnieper river. Some Russians had suggested that Russian forces get rid of them post haste.
Most of the land is not swamp. The Russians cannot cross the river, and the Ukrainians cannot cross the minefield. The beachhead becomes unimportant, because it goes nowhere.

Putin, who knows something about strategy rather than PR stunts, knew that the Ukrainians were losing way too many troops there and said that they shouldn't be in such a rush to remove them. Now, Kursk is technically in 'old' Russia, so I imagine Putin wouldn't say the same thing with Kursk, but I can't help but think that he's using the same strategy now- to allow Ukraine to bleed itself out holding some tiny little towns in Kursk while Russia bleeds them out.
OK, three very different places have been confused together: Kursk is in Russia, Karkhiv in the northeast, and Kherson in the southeast(along the Dnieper River). A part of Kursk in the hills is still held by the Ukrainians. Not many people live in that sliver, and it is on very defendable high ground. The Russians were pushed out of Karkhiv, with little immediate hope of turning that around. Likewise, the Russians were pushed out of the city of Kherson, and all the Oblast of Kherson west of the Dnieper River.

The Ukrainians were NATO tech and strategies have no problem crossing a defended river. The Russians were Soviet tech and strategies cannot cross a defended river. So the Ukrainians can cross the Dnieper River any time they like, and can retreat behind the Dnieper River any time they like. The Ukrainians have not figured out a way through the 50 to 100 mile wide minefield on the other side of the river. NATO tech and strategies assumed that sappers could slip into minefields unnoticed. In this modern time of drones, drones will always notice sappers, and artillery will kill them.

Robots that can remove mines are being developed quickly. If they start working, Russia will be defeated.

Russians are hoping for a breakthrough in the middle of the line. They keep moving forward a bit every day, but have not had the breakthrough. If they get the breakthrough, they would move forward massively all at once.

So I can reasonably predict Ukrainian or Russian victory.
 
Yes, but I don't think that Russia's doing that. I think they see the U.S. like a reasonable person would see a mad man with a gun. Yes, he's mad, but he's also got a gun and so you have to try to reason with the fellow.
The Russians and the Chinese have a plan to try to prevent the Imperial Empire toasting the world on the way out......even with my superb grapevine I dont know what that is, but I suspect that it is to do a controlled implosion of the West....to a great degree it has looked like they already run America....I mean the mass theft of the federal treasury, destroying the culture and the mass illegal import of people who want America and Europe converted to their ways......this sort of thing is exactly what the Chinese would script.
Anyone who knows me well knows that I haven't shied away from many conspiracy theories, but I think it's highly unlikely that your suspicion is right on this one. From everything I've seen, I believe the United States' government own hubris is destroying it from within. There are a few bright lights -trying- to save it, such as RFK Jr., but they're in a sea of darkness.
 
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I'm hoping it's the latter. Some people, such as Dutch Uncle, thinks we won in Vietnam "militarily". I don't understand his logic, but perhaps those in power can persuade themselves that they "won" militarily in Ukraine or otherwise and let it go.
Washington internally admitted to themselves April 2024 that they have lost this war, when this was beyond obvious after the so called Spring Offensive....and yet they have kept it going, they have kept escalating.

Even Trump has completely refused to shut it down.
At least Trump has stopped escalating things militarily. As I've said before, the bar when it comes to American foreign policy has been so low that any effort, no matter how clumsily made, is generally a step in the right direction.
 
At least Trump has stopped escalating things militarily. As I've said before, the bar when it comes to American foreign policy has been so low that any effort, no matter how clumsily made, is generally a step in the right direction.
Trump after all this bluster finally figuring out that all he has is a pair of Deuces as the victors demand our capitulation might get chaotic.
 
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I keep on hoping that the war in Ukraine will end with Ukraine, but the longer this drags on, the more I worry that it'll spread :-/.
 
I keep on hoping that the war in Ukraine will end with Ukraine, but the longer this drags on, the more I worry that it'll spread :-/.
Wars tend to spread, and the Russians and the Chinese are blood brothers....The Imperial Empire did that almost as if they have a death wish.
 
Russia did finally get back most of their own territory from Ukraine, but it took 7 months. And Ukraine still has some Russian territory, which the Russians have now decided just to surrender to them.
Do you really believe that second sentence?
Ukraine retains a strip of high ground in Kursk that is not worth much, but would be difficult to take, so Russia is just accepting it for the time being.
Your rewording sounds reasonable :-)
 
Putin, who knows something about strategy rather than PR stunts, knew that the Ukrainians were losing way too many troops there and said that they shouldn't be in such a rush to remove them. Now, Kursk is technically in 'old' Russia, so I imagine Putin wouldn't say the same thing with Kursk, but I can't help but think that he's using the same strategy now- to allow Ukraine to bleed itself out holding some tiny little towns in Kursk while Russia bleeds them out.
Most of the land is not swamp. The Russians cannot cross the river, and the Ukrainians cannot cross the minefield. The beachhead becomes unimportant, because it goes nowhere.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing here. I was referring to the bit of Kursk that Ukraine is still holding on to. I don't know the details of the situation, but your last assessment, that is, "Ukraine retains a strip of high ground in Kursk that is not worth much, but would be difficult to take, so Russia is just accepting it for the time being", sounds reasonable to me.
 
Putin, who knows something about strategy rather than PR stunts, knew that the Ukrainians were losing way too many troops there and said that they shouldn't be in such a rush to remove them. Now, Kursk is technically in 'old' Russia, so I imagine Putin wouldn't say the same thing with Kursk, but I can't help but think that he's using the same strategy now- to allow Ukraine to bleed itself out holding some tiny little towns in Kursk while Russia bleeds them out.
OK, three very different places have been confused together: Kursk is in Russia, Karkhiv in the northeast, and Kherson in the southeast(along the Dnieper River). A part of Kursk in the hills is still held by the Ukrainians. Not many people live in that sliver, and it is on very defendable high ground. The Russians were pushed out of Karkhiv, with little immediate hope of turning that around. Likewise, the Russians were pushed out of the city of Kherson, and all the Oblast of Kherson west of the Dnieper River.

Yeah, I think everything you said above checks out. I'm pretty sure what I'd read about was a little bit of swampy land that Ukraine had managed to take on the east side of the Dnieper river in the Oblast of Kherson. Some Russians were thinking that they should be taken out decisely but Putin suavely said that there was no rush to remove them- left unsaid was why- they were dying at such a prodigious rate for a piece of essentially worthless land. Here's a Ukrainian article from 2024 finally coming to terms with the fact that it was nothing more than a costly PR stunt:

Putin is about strategy, not PR stunts, like the Kursk engagement. One more reason why they're winning.
 
So the Ukrainians can cross the Dnieper River any time they like, and can retreat behind the Dnieper River any time they like.
Sure, as long as they don't mind the heavy casualties:


From what I've seen, Russia has favoured a more cautious approach for some time now. That being said, as I've said before, it does appear as though Russia's going to give crossing the river another go soon.
 
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