The West’s Green Delusions Empowered Putin

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That little fool Greta Thunberg did a great job making Europe an easy lay for Putin. I wonder if Putin put her up to it.

They are dependent on his oil and because her green energy is inadequate.

With THOT Thunberg's help, the weak wokesters running Western Europe brainwashed their supine citizens into believing that green energy is feasible, when the imbecilic elites knew full well it is not.

They even convinced their citizens that if they do not act by shutting down all their "fossil fuel" power plants down, "climate change" is going to kill them all.

When Europe takes a "fossil fuel" power plant offline, they do not just take it offline.

They bring in a demolition crew and destroy it completely

The implications of this are staggering when you consider the fact that once they are gone, they are gone for good, and it takes a long time to build a new one, even if the greeny meanies would allow it.

They are shutting down their nuclear power plants, too.

Putin has oil and gas to spare, and these useless useful idiots don't.


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Discuss.


© Legion, 2022

Very true, sadly imbeciles rule!
 
maggot;
I have been trying to tell you Muppets this for years. Especially regarding Germany, the disastrous Energiewende and their crazy reliance on gas from an enemy like Russia. It's taken a war in the Ukraine to finally wake you lot up.

But there wasn't any war, maggot. Russia and Europe were becoming commercially integrated. Somebody wanted that relationship to end.

Well......hit me with a skillet - it was YOU !



Haw, haw.......................................haw.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
He's at it again, folks. Here's a recent past dissection of this right wing tool's diatribes:

https://climatefeedback.org/evaluati...limate-change/

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/...nberger-tells/

You're a fucking idiot, I can't state it any clearer than that. Michael Shellenberger used to be a left wing climate alarmist but he woke up and saw the light. Sadly that day of dawning is still to come for you, it may never arrive. Oh and I'd be grateful if you could spare us all from one of your insipid word salads, chuckles!

It's pretty sad to see yet another intellectually impotent MAGA minion attempt to be clever.

Had old Primo read carefully and comprehensively (a practice that seem lost on right wing flunkies) the content of my links, he would have noticed that Shellenberger's "climate alarmist" past was not exactly what the corporatist lackeys portray:

"... Shellenberger has a history of anti-green contrarianism. He thrust himself into the limelight in 2004, when he and Ted Nordhaus wrote an essay titled “The Death of Environmentalism.” Thirty-three at the time, Shellenberger was already portraying himself as an environmentalist who had realized that environmentalism’s problem was environmentalism itself. Not just an activist with a history, he was a successful opinion maker whose PR companies had challenged Nike’s labor practices and consulted for the Sierra Club and Ford Foundation. After their confrontational essay made waves, he and Nordhaus co-founded a think tank, the Breakthrough Institute, and another PR firm, American Environics. By 2008 they had published a book [1] that landed them among Time’s 32 “heroes of the environment” alongside the likes of Van Jones and Alice Waters. Their position was that if environmentalists want to win politically, including with fence-sitting conservatives, they have to invent and tell better stories. The story Shellenberger has stuck with is that the things environmentalists resist — nuclear, GMOs, fracking, industrial agriculture, and so on — are actually good for the environment.


Shellenberger’s article promoting his new book “Apocalypse Never” includes a mix of accurate, misleading, and patently false statements. While it is useful to push back against claims that climate change will lead to the end of the world or human extinction, to do so by inaccurately downplaying real climate risks is deeply problematic and counterproductive.

Shellenberger’s claims that climate plays no role in natural disasters and wildfires fly in the face of a large peer-reviewed scientific literature showing clear links between climate change and extreme heat events, drought, and extreme rainfall as well as links between hotter and drier conditions and wildfire areas burned in many regions of the world[1-4].

Shellenberger also falls into the trap of seeing a single technology (nuclear) as the one true solution to climate change, and mistakenly sees denigrating other clean energy technologies as the best way to promote it. The real world involves messy trade-offs and uncertainties, and decarbonization will involve a range of different technological solutions across industries and geographies rather than a single panacea.


Primo is just an idiot, folks....I sincerely hope he isn't "fucking", as that entails the risk of reproduction. ;)
 
He's always been like that, too old to change now.

Folks, neither of these intellectually impotent MAGA monkeys can sustain a debate based on all the facts pertaining and the logic deduced from such facts. Just look at Primo's response to my post and my subsequent answer. To clowns like Primo and Legion, what they do is a perfect substitute for what I just mentioned. But once they run out of steam (cannot logically or factually continue to defend their position), they just deteriorate to repetition, attempted insults, and maudlin exchanges with their like minded brethren.

Legion, like many right wing toadies, is on my ignore list, as past exchanges show how insipidly stubborn and just ridiculous they get instead of just conceding a point. Then they follow me around like bitches in heat stating how so inaccurate and incorrect my post/threads that they are not worth responding to. They don't even recognize the glaring contradictions of their actions, which implies sheer stupidity or a psychological fixation in need of therapy.

Just watch, my fellow rational and objective posters.
 
Folks, neither of these intellectually impotent MAGA monkeys can sustain a debate based on all the facts pertaining and the logic deduced from such facts. Just look at Primo's response to my post and my subsequent answer. To clowns like Primo and Legion, what they do is a perfect substitute for what I just mentioned. But once they run out of steam (cannot logically or factually continue to defend their position), they just deteriorate to repetition, attempted insults, and maudlin exchanges with their like minded brethren.

Legion, like many right wing toadies, is on my ignore list, as past exchanges show how insipidly stubborn and just ridiculous they get instead of just conceding a point. Then they follow me around like bitches in heat stating how so inaccurate and incorrect my post/threads that they are not worth responding to. They don't even recognize the glaring contradictions of their actions, which implies sheer stupidity or a psychological fixation in need of therapy.

Just watch, my fellow rational and objective posters.

You're such a tedious man, please ignore me from now on
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Folks, neither of these intellectually impotent MAGA monkeys can sustain a debate based on all the facts pertaining and the logic deduced from such facts. Just look at Primo's response to my post and my subsequent answer. To clowns like Primo and Legion, what they do is a perfect substitute for what I just mentioned. But once they run out of steam (cannot logically or factually continue to defend their position), they just deteriorate to repetition, attempted insults, and maudlin exchanges with their like minded brethren.

Legion, like many right wing toadies, is on my ignore list, as past exchanges show how insipidly stubborn and just ridiculous they get instead of just conceding a point. Then they follow me around like bitches in heat stating how so inaccurate and incorrect my post/threads that they are not worth responding to. They don't even recognize the glaring contradictions of their actions, which implies sheer stupidity or a psychological fixation in need of therapy.

Just watch, my fellow rational and objective posters.


You're such a tedious man, please ignore me from now on

Another defeated right wing toady who doesn't have the cojones just to concede a point. The chronology of the posts (they hate that phrase because they can't BS around it) I leave him to circle jerk with his compadres as they dog my threads and posts...they just can't help themselves! :laugh:
 
Michael Shellenberger used to be a left wing climate alarmist but he woke up and saw the light.
I wish we could get rid of the Progs and their insane agenda. Biden is too weak and stupid to stand upto them

While Putin expanded Russia’s oil production, expanded natural gas production, and then doubled nuclear energy production to allow more exports of its precious gas, Europe, led by Germany, shut down its nuclear power plants, closed gas fields, and refused to develop more through advanced methods like fracking.
energy suicide. how can a country as smart and practical like Germany do such a whacked out policy?

The result has been the worst global energy crisis since 1973, driving prices for electricity and gasoline higher around the world. It is a crisis, fundamentally, of inadequate supply. But the scarcity is entirely manufactured.
we are down from peak production significantly.
Dumb ass policies
 
They also forget that he has a 100 million ton coal contract with China so they can build hundreds of new coal fires power plants.
and we'll be buying massive purchases ofsolar panels from them as well - depending on how "green" we go
 
I wish we could get rid of the Progs and their insane agenda. Biden is too weak and stupid to stand upto them

energy suicide. how can a country as smart and practical like Germany do such a whacked out policy?

we are down from peak production significantly.
Dumb ass policies

Politics mostly, Merkel needed the Greens to form coalitions. Blame their voting system which almost guarantees weak governments.
 
Politics mostly, Merkel needed the Greens to form coalitions. Blame their voting system which almost guarantees weak governments.
of course. we dont do coalitions but we most certainly do factional partisanship.
Greens got a lot of power in that they hold together, but also because AOC is a media darling.

Biden could tell them all to take a back seat -his SOTU address did just that ( doubtful Biden even remembers what he said) but it was all show , he's still pushing BBB in all but name and equity is still the XO directives
 
and we'll be buying massive purchases ofsolar panels from them as well - depending on how "green" we go

I love the irony. The Chinese make solar panels for the rest of the world using coal fired power plants. Meanwhile, the dimwit lefties think they are saving the planet?
 
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I have been trying to tell you Muppets this for years. Especially regarding Germany, the disastrous Energiewende and their crazy reliance on gas from an enemy like Russia. It's taken a war in the Ukraine to finally wake you lot up.

As Gustave Le Bo lamented: “The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduces them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.”

While we banned plastic straws, Russia drilled and doubled nuclear energy production

Michael Shellenberger

How has Vladimir Putin—a man ruling a country with an economy smaller than that of Texas, with an average life expectancy 10 years lower than that of France—managed to launch an unprovoked full-scale assault on Ukraine?

There is a deep psychological, political and almost civilizational answer to that question: He wants Ukraine to be part of Russia more than the West wants it to be free. He is willing to risk tremendous loss of life and treasure to get it. There are serious limits to how much the U.S. and Europe are willing to do militarily. And Putin knows it.

Missing from that explanation, though, is a story about material reality and basic economics—two things that Putin seems to understand far better than his counterparts in the free world and especially in Europe.

Putin knows that Europe produces 3.6 million barrels of oil a day but uses 15 million barrels of oil a day. Putin knows that Europe produces 230 billion cubic meters of natural gas a year but uses 560 billion cubic meters. He knows that Europe uses 950 million tons of coal a year but produces half that.

The former KGB agent knows Russia produces 11 million barrels of oil per day but only uses 3.4 million. He knows Russia now produces over 700 billion cubic meters of gas a year but only uses around 400 billion. Russia mines 800 million tons of coal each year but uses 300.

That’s how Russia ends up supplying about 20 percent of Europe’s oil, 40 percent of its gas, and 20 percent of its coal.

The math is simple. A child could do it.

The reason Europe didn’t have a muscular deterrent threat to prevent Russian aggression—and in fact prevented the U.S. from getting allies to do more—is that it needs Putin’s oil and gas.

The question is why.

How is it possible that European countries, Germany especially, allowed themselves to become so dependent on an authoritarian country over the 30 years since the end of the Cold War?

Here’s how: These countries are in the grips of a delusional ideology that makes them incapable of understanding the hard realities of energy production. Green ideology insists we don’t need nuclear and that we don’t need fracking. It insists that it’s just a matter of will and money to switch to all-renewables—and fast. It insists that we need “degrowth” of the economy, and that we face looming human “extinction.” (I would know. I myself was once a true believer.)

John Kerry, the United States’ climate envoy, perfectly captured the myopia of this view when he said, in the days before the war, that the Russian invasion of Ukraine “could have a profound negative impact on the climate, obviously. You have a war, and obviously you’re going to have massive emissions consequences to the war. But equally importantly, you’re going to lose people’s focus.”

But it was the West’s focus on healing the planet with “soft energy” renewables, and moving away from natural gas and nuclear, that allowed Putin to gain a stranglehold over Europe’s energy supply.

As the West fell into a hypnotic trance about healing its relationship with nature, averting climate apocalypse and worshiping a teenager named Greta, Vladimir Putin made his moves.

While he expanded nuclear energy at home so Russia could export its precious oil and gas to Europe, Western governments spent their time and energy obsessing over “carbon footprints,” a term created by an advertising firm working for British Petroleum. They banned plastic straws because of a 9-year-old Canadian child’s science homework. They paid for hours of “climate anxiety” therapy.

While Putin expanded Russia’s oil production, expanded natural gas production, and then doubled nuclear energy production to allow more exports of its precious gas, Europe, led by Germany, shut down its nuclear power plants, closed gas fields, and refused to develop more through advanced methods like fracking.

The numbers tell the story best. In 2016, 30 percent of the natural gas consumed by the European Union came from Russia. In 2018, that figure jumped to 40 percent. By 2020, it was nearly 44 percent, and by early 2021, it was nearly 47 percent.

For all his fawning over Putin, Donald Trump, back in 2018, defied diplomatic protocol to call out Germany publicly for its dependence on Moscow. “Germany, as far as I’m concerned, is captive to Russia because it’s getting so much of its energy from Russia,” Trump said. This prompted Germany’s then-chancellor, Angela Merkel, who had been widely praised in polite circles for being the last serious leader in the West, to say that her country “can make our own policies and make our own decisions.”

The result has been the worst global energy crisis since 1973, driving prices for electricity and gasoline higher around the world. It is a crisis, fundamentally, of inadequate supply. But the scarcity is entirely manufactured.

Europeans—led by figures like Greta Thunberg and European Green Party leaders, and supported by Americans like John Kerry—believed that a healthy relationship with the Earth requires making energy scarce. By turning to renewables, they would show the world how to live without harming the planet. But this was a pipe dream. You can’t power a whole grid with solar and wind, because the sun and the wind are inconstant, and currently existing batteries aren’t even cheap enough to store large quantities of electricity overnight, much less across whole seasons.

In service to green ideology, they made the perfect the enemy of the good—and of Ukraine.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-wests-green-delusions-empowered?s=r

This post should be bumped daily. You did not mention that Shallenberger was a one time climate "activist" that did research and came to the concluding the West was being conned by the likes of idiots like John Kerry and an abused child named Greta Thunberg.

Well-known climate activist Michael Shellenberger has issued a public apology for the unfounded panic caused by environmentalists over the fabricated horrors of global warming.

"Writing for Forbes Monday, Mr. Shellenberger — a Time magazine Hero of the Environment and winner of the 2008 Green Book Award — said that on behalf of environmentalists everywhere, “I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years.”

“Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem,” Shellenberger declares."
 
This post should be bumped daily. You did not mention that Shallenberger was a one time climate "activist" that did research and came to the concluding the West was being conned by the likes of idiots like John Kerry and an abused child named Greta Thunberg.

Well-known climate activist Michael Shellenberger has issued a public apology for the unfounded panic caused by environmentalists over the fabricated horrors of global warming.

"Writing for Forbes Monday, Mr. Shellenberger — a Time magazine Hero of the Environment and winner of the 2008 Green Book Award — said that on behalf of environmentalists everywhere, “I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years.”

“Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem,” Shellenberger declares."

I have posted many times about Michael Shellenberger, do yourself a favour and perform a search on him here.
 
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I wish we could get rid of the Progs and their insane agenda. Biden is too weak and stupid to stand upto them

energy suicide. how can a country as smart and practical like Germany do such a whacked out policy?

we are down from peak production significantly.
Dumb ass policies

The world is finally waking up and not before time.
 
I wish we could get rid of the Progs and their insane agenda. Biden is too weak and stupid to stand upto them

energy suicide. how can a country as smart and practical like Germany do such a whacked out policy?

we are down from peak production significantly.
Dumb ass policies

People won't feel that way in a few decades.

It will either be, "they were visionaries - thank goodness for what they did," or "why didn't people listen to them?"

If we're not ready when our finite energy sources diminish and are exhausted, it will be the biggest challenge that humanity has faced.
 
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