THE "YOU DON'T LOVE THE CONSTITUTION" CRAP IN THIS FORUM!

'Whatever you believe imprisons you.'' The right in America today has been taught and believes that government is unnecessary. Libertarians are the most naive concerning the belief. But beliefs manage the mind regardless of the consequences when the consequences are abstract and the society is stable enough to allow nonsense the pedestal. A Russian villager may think he lives in the freest nation in the world kinda like the right wing farmer in America who thinks the land is his to shat on. The books below explain the transformation of the American conservative into tools of big money for the interested reader.

http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=1

Books:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7799004-merchants-of-doubt

"Government, despite its many sins, remains the only institution that can make our freedom real." Gregory Downs
 
midcan5 said:
'Whatever you believe imprisons you.'' The right in America today has been taught and believes that government is unnecessary. Libertarians are the most naive concerning the belief. But beliefs manage the mind regardless of the consequences when the consequences are abstract and the society is stable enough to allow nonsense the pedestal. A Russian villager may think he lives in the freest nation in the world kinda like the right wing farmer in America who thinks the land is his to shat on. The books below explain the transformation of the American conservative into tools of big money for the interested reader.

http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=1

Books:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7799004-merchants-of-doubt

"Government, despite its many sins, remains the only institution that can make our freedom real." Gregory Downs
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Good post, Midcan.

Just want to give one thing a bit more prominence:


"Government, despite its many sins, remains the only institution that can make our freedom real." Gregory Downs
 
Frank Apisa said:
My name is not Francis.

I can only guess about this...but my guess is that it bothers you a lot.

You really ought to work on why it does.
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Why would I want to work on something that you're only guessing at, Francis; because you apparently don't know, seeing as how you don't believe it does?
 
midcan5 said:
'Whatever you believe imprisons you.'' The right in America today has been taught and believes that government is unnecessary. Libertarians are the most naive concerning the belief. But beliefs manage the mind regardless of the consequences when the consequences are abstract and the society is stable enough to allow nonsense the pedestal. A Russian villager may think he lives in the freest nation in the world kinda like the right wing farmer in America who thinks the land is his to shat on. The books below explain the transformation of the American conservative into tools of big money for the interested reader.

http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=1

Books:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7799004-merchants-of-doubt

"Government, despite its many sins, remains the only institution that can make our freedom real." Gregory Downs
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Pure nonsense...
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Why would I want to work on something that you're only guessing at, Francis; because you apparently don't know, seeing as how you don't believe it does?
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My name is not Francis...and you are correct. I don't believe it does.

Your problem seems to be that you are allowing me, and the fact that I do not do "believing", to bother you a great deal.

You ought to work on that in order to defeat the problem. Best not to let the problem defeat you.
 
Frank Apisa said:
One sees lots of variations on the theme, "You don't love (respect) the Constitution and Bill of Rights" crap here in this forum...almost always including "warnings" about the danger of "government" overreach.

Well...I personally think there is MUCH LESS DANGER from government going amok...or from our government becoming tyrannical…than there is from our citizens being unwilling to be governed.

I doubt any of us right now, except perhaps Donald Trump, wants a dictatorship; I doubt any of us, except perhaps Donald Trump, wants governmental tyranny.

But THE REAL DANGER RIGHT NOW IN AMERICA does not come from the danger of dictatorship, even with that dictator wanna-be in office...or serious governmental overreach. It comes, rather, from the fact that a significant minority of the people want not to be governed at all. They deplore government…the single most important ingredient in civilized society.

I suspect a lot of that absurdity was started during the first inaugural address by Ronald Reagan. As chief executive, he unwisely endorsed the notion of hatred of “being governed” with his (just about always, unfortunately, quoted out of context), “…government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”

He was wrong…or at least, I sure as hell hope he was wrong, because if he was correct…democracy does not stand a chance of success. Democracy demands that government be a MAJOR FACTOR in the solution to problems…and there is no chance of democracy working if government truly is the problem.

And government requires that the people being governed...CONSENT TO BEING GOVERNED.

Just sayin’!
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You're naive, Frank. And none of those fascist dictatorship loving assholes who thanked you agree with a word you said. (Except for that part about Trump, of course).
 
Granule said:
You're naive, Frank. And none of those fascist dictatorship loving assholes who thanked you agree with a word you said. (Except for that part about Trump, of course).
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An American conservative calling anyone else "naive"...is like Donald Trump calling someone else "classless."
 
Granule said:
I'm sorry Frank, I just don't share your anti-American point of view.
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I do not have an anti-American point of view...so obviously you don't.

I, Granule, do not share YOUR anti-American point of view. And I am not sorry about it at all. I am comforted by it.
 
Frank Apisa said:
My name is not Francis...and you are correct. I don't believe it does.

Your problem seems to be that you are allowing me, and the fact that I do not do "believing", to bother you a great deal.

You ought to work on that in order to defeat the problem. Best not to let the problem defeat you.
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Doesn't bother me, that you don't believe, Francis; but it does seem to bother you, seeing as how you've found it necessary to defend yourself so much. :D

Are you trying to convince me or yourself?? :dunno:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Doesn't bother me, that you don't believe, Francis; but it does seem to bother you, seeing as how you've found it necessary to defend yourself so much. :D

Are you trying to convince me or yourself?? :dunno:
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My name is not Francis...and it appears it bothers you to the core.

Don't let the laughter coming from me fool you, though.

I am laughing at you...not with you. ;)
 
Frank Apisa said:
My name is not Francis...and it appears it bothers you to the core.

Don't let the laughter coming from me fool you, though.

I am laughing at you...not with you. ;)
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Using your "logic" or what seems to pass for it; you being referred to as Francis seems to bother you, a great deal. :D
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Using your "logic" or what seems to pass for it; you being referred to as Francis seems to bother you, a great deal. :D
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Really?

I am merely informing you that my name is not Francis.

What seems more inferential of being bothered...is you constantly following me and calling me "Francis."

But...if it makes you look good to the other kids in the playground...go for it.

Anything that makes you look good! ;)
 
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