And the opposite strengthens the power of the court to rule by fiat and to punish by simple consensus rather than legislative authority. Striking a balance should be the goal.
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And the opposite strengthens the power of the court to rule by fiat and to punish by simple consensus rather than legislative authority. Striking a balance should be the goal.
uscitizen
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See how the NWO has sucked you in on this one.
uscitizen
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A balance is virtually never anyones goal in business and politics. It sometimes happens when both sides are pretty equal and comprimises are required.
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The Almighty
"See how the NWO has sucked you in on this one."
See how you continually duck the question. Similar to Cypress and Darla... why is it NONE of you will attempt to address the questions posed to you. All I get is the "you must be brainwashed"/"religous beliefs"/"sucked in by the NWO".... CRAP.
Are you simply incapable of answering the question? Or are you just afraid that the answer won't fit into your nice little world where unlimited awards don't really effect the total costs of healthcare?
See how you continually duck the question. Similar to Cypress and Darla... why is it NONE of you will attempt to address the questions posed to you. All I get is the "you must be brainwashed"/"religous beliefs"/"sucked in by the NWO".... CRAP.
Are you simply incapable of answering the question? Or are you just afraid that the answer won't fit into your nice little world where unlimited awards don't really effect the total costs of healthcare?
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The Almighty
Try it this way US.... are the insurance companies LOSING money or making money?
Hint: The insurance companies have us by the balls. They know it doesn't really matter how much juries tag them with.....because they have the ability to pass the costs along to the doctors and individuals through higher premiums.
Hint: The insurance companies have us by the balls. They know it doesn't really matter how much juries tag them with.....because they have the ability to pass the costs along to the doctors and individuals through higher premiums.
OrnotBitwise
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Apart from anecdotal evidence and (ahem) "common sense" do you have any real evidence that these allegedly disproportionate awards constitute a burden? How many of them are there each year? What is the total amount of money involved? You'll find, I believe, that the answers are "very few" and "not that much" respectively.
The total amount of money paid out in such awards is really quite small in comparison with the total expenses of the insurance companies. Redundancy and profit-taking are vastly greater factors.
uscitizen
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We are talking 2% of our helathcare costs here, Do you really think if all malpractice lawsuits were stopped we would see a penny of that in our pockets ?
Why not police for bad DR's a bit better ? Some of them deserve to be sued.
Perhaps post a DR's record for display so a consumer can make a bettwer decision on which DR to use. Same as with any other business to consumer relationship.
The problem is not all in the "trial lawyers" of the sue happy asses, part of the soloution needs to come from the medical profession.
People that are genuinely screwed in the medical profession need a way to resolve their problems. If your mechanic screws up your car who should pay to fix it ?
Well see, some people think it's never going to happen to them. They remain blissfully unaware of just how many incompetent fuck ups there are in the medical profession. They line up to lick the boots of people that, deep down, they think are their betters, just to show how equal to their betters they are. I'm telling you , this is some weird stuff that goes on here.
And there is no guarantee that if it did happen to them, they would do anything other than say "thank you sir!" in response anyway. I knew a rightie who had cancer as did 5 out of his 7 siblings, and they were all young. I said, huh, you know, have you guys taken a look at where you grew up, sounds like a cancer cluster to me? And he said he figured it was something like that, but shrugged it off. If big business had to give him and his siblings cancer to turn a profit, well, he was just going to say "thank you sir". And that's a true story.
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The Almighty
"We are talking 2% of our helathcare costs here, Do you really think if all malpractice lawsuits were stopped we would see a penny of that in our pockets ?"
I keep hearing this 2% number. My uncle pays just over $200k in malpractice insurance each year. That $200k is paid by anyone he puts under the gas. What are the other components that are driving up an individual doctor visit (whether it be surgical or just a general visit)?????
New Machines (MRIs etc.... ), higher rents, salaries to employees... etc... do you beleive that any of those are increasing at the same rate as malpractice insurance?
"Why not police for bad DR's a bit better ? Some of them deserve to be sued.
Perhaps post a DR's record for display so a consumer can make a bettwer decision on which DR to use. Same as with any other business to consumer relationship."
I actually agree with this 100%. It is done in my industry.... any of my clients can check to see if my firm or myself has has any type of violations or charges filed against us. I do not know if this exists or not within the medical profession. If it doesn't, then I agree it should.
"The problem is not all in the "trial lawyers" of the sue happy asses, part of the soloution needs to come from the medical profession."
No argument there. I never said it would all be solved by reducing the lawsuits. But that is a key trigger point.
"People that are genuinely screwed in the medical profession need a way to resolve their problems. If your mechanic screws up your car who should pay to fix it ?"
Yes they should. In NO WAY am I advocating the removal of the ability to sue. But we have to be reasonable with regards to the awards.
I keep hearing this 2% number. My uncle pays just over $200k in malpractice insurance each year. That $200k is paid by anyone he puts under the gas. What are the other components that are driving up an individual doctor visit (whether it be surgical or just a general visit)?????
New Machines (MRIs etc.... ), higher rents, salaries to employees... etc... do you beleive that any of those are increasing at the same rate as malpractice insurance?
"Why not police for bad DR's a bit better ? Some of them deserve to be sued.
Perhaps post a DR's record for display so a consumer can make a bettwer decision on which DR to use. Same as with any other business to consumer relationship."
I actually agree with this 100%. It is done in my industry.... any of my clients can check to see if my firm or myself has has any type of violations or charges filed against us. I do not know if this exists or not within the medical profession. If it doesn't, then I agree it should.
"The problem is not all in the "trial lawyers" of the sue happy asses, part of the soloution needs to come from the medical profession."
No argument there. I never said it would all be solved by reducing the lawsuits. But that is a key trigger point.
"People that are genuinely screwed in the medical profession need a way to resolve their problems. If your mechanic screws up your car who should pay to fix it ?"
Yes they should. In NO WAY am I advocating the removal of the ability to sue. But we have to be reasonable with regards to the awards.
OrnotBitwise
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Why do you assume that the cost of malpractice insurance is directly tied to the amounts of these awards? Naturally, the insurance companies claim that the two are linked. They are the people most actively pushing tort "reform" (sic) after all.
Both USCitizen and I have challenged you to estimate the total, aggregate amount of all such awards. Why won't you at least try to do that? I honestly believe you'll find that there are very, very few of the outrageous judgments the insurance industry likes to tout. In fact, most judgments are much lower. And most people haven't the resources -- financial, temporal and emotional -- to press such a lawsuit in the first place.
What we need is insurance reform, not tort reform.
OrnotBitwise
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The Last (or Best) Word . . .
I think that Morford has hit the nail on the head. Squarely and with authority.
I know that there are few or no real Falwell supporters here. Nevertheless, his prominence and influence make it necessary that we remember one thing. This was an evil, dangerous man. He may well have had the best of intentions, but there's no excuse for what he believed.
His opinions, freely held though they were, damned him.
Ironically enough, he was right about one thing: moral perversion is indeed wrong. It shouldn't be illegal, unless there's great need and a strong consensus about a particular behavior, but perversion is indeed wrong.
And Falwell was, arguably, the most perverted man in America.
I think that Morford has hit the nail on the head. Squarely and with authority.
http://sfgate.com/columnists/morford/
I know that there are few or no real Falwell supporters here. Nevertheless, his prominence and influence make it necessary that we remember one thing. This was an evil, dangerous man. He may well have had the best of intentions, but there's no excuse for what he believed.
His opinions, freely held though they were, damned him.
Ironically enough, he was right about one thing: moral perversion is indeed wrong. It shouldn't be illegal, unless there's great need and a strong consensus about a particular behavior, but perversion is indeed wrong.
And Falwell was, arguably, the most perverted man in America.
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Ornot, look at this one:
"I truly cannot imagine women with women, doing what they were not physically created to do, without abnormal stress and misbehavior."
Yes, a lot of men have this same reaction to imagining women with women. What a dork!
As for his other nonsense, I knew he hated gays, but, he really hated women too, didnt he? I'm not surprised. I couldn't care less if a guy is carrying a few extra pounds, but a guy gets that fat, and no woman is going to do anything but bust out laughing at the site of him waddling around in his underwear, and that includes his wife. That was one fat bastard. HE could even have played Fat Bastard in the Austin Powers movies. The idea that that fat bastard is going to waddle around myhouse and "tell me what to do" which is "all I need, a man to tell me what to do", is very funny.
Battleborne
Terminator
Wtf...
Are you a closet Lesbian??? Or just hate fat guys???..Ya are a confusing gal to say the least...never mind ya cater to Cippie..he loves to hit on 'Code Pink' gals...and he loves it when ya talk about gal on gal scenarios...kinda akin to RWA(aka hazmat)lmao!
Are you a closet Lesbian??? Or just hate fat guys???..Ya are a confusing gal to say the least...never mind ya cater to Cippie..he loves to hit on 'Code Pink' gals...and he loves it when ya talk about gal on gal scenarios...kinda akin to RWA(aka hazmat)lmao!
OrnotBitwise
Watermelon
I still don't get it, though I've pushed it around the cage with my nose for years. Why is it that we male types -- self explicitly included -- find lezzy sex exciting, yet very few women find anything erotic in male-on-male homosexuality? It's really weird, if you think about it at all.
uscitizen
Villified User
We also need some reform in the medical industry, get the lousy DR's out.
uscitizen
Villified User
We are strange animals Ornot.....