They claim the American left don’t believe in God.

FastLane said:
I thought liberals were all against MTG. Why do you suddenly believe anything she says.
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This is just Crazy Trump's madness coming to light, and there are plenty rats to jump ship. This speaks loudly of honor among Magtards
 
Ross Dolan said:
There is more than adequate foundation for the fact that...

1) I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not (I guarantee I do no know)
2) I see no reason to suspect that gods CANNOT exist (I guarantee I see no reason) (Not sure why you changed that, but don't do that. I said what I mean.)
3) I do not see any reason to suspect that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible. (If you do...let's discuss that.)




I wrote it exactly as I intended...and of course you agree.


That is nonsense.

We are talking about whether a God or gods exist. Save that other crap for a different discussion. When the subject is whether a God or gods exist...anyone asserting a "YES" or "No" is making a blind guess. When the subject is whether it is more probable that one or the other is the REALITY...any assertion in either direction is a blind guess. If you think otherwise...show me your work...the math.

If you want later to discuss Spaghetti Monsters or Meatballs...we can do that in a different thread.
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In my prior post if I just repeated your statement it is because I agreed with it as written. Otherwise I provided where we diverge.

Re The "nonsense ", that is core to this discussion.

Religious people always try to do the same thing which is to say 'because I believe in a thing that thing is not ridiculous and thus is fair to discuss'. They want to exclude what they consider ridiculous because they would arrive at my conclusion if they consider it.

So I will leave the ridiculous Spaghetti monster out if you leave the ridiculous other gods out as there is no proof of any of them.

More for to my actual point however is we do not generally define as beliefs the infinite things a person does not believe in the way theists want to define atheists.

If I were to ask you if you held a belief Lego was your god, you would likely say you hold no such belief on that topic and it is foolish.

Lego is every bit as valid a belief for an individual to hold in that it is also based on nothing.
 
I will make this one statement that i am quite certain no one who believes in a god will disagree with.

'Since mankind has been on this planet they have formed beliefs around thousands of god like beings all of which but one (my god) is not accurate or true.'

For the atheist the mere fact that they add only that one single additional god in, to the list of thousands, is what religious people disagree with.

They see no absurdity in that.
 
QP! said:
In my prior post if I just repeated your statement it is because I agreed with it as written. Otherwise I provided where we diverge.
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Okay. And I responded to that.

QP! said:
Re The "nonsense ", that is core to this discussion.
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No it isn't. That is bringing a spaghetti monster into a discussion about whether the REALITY of existence includes a God or not.

It is nonsense that atheist bring into discussions like they bring "bald is not a hair color."

That IS nonsense.

QP! said:
Religious people always try to do the same thing which is to say 'because I believe in a thing that thing is not ridiculous and thus is fair to discuss'. They want to exclude what they consider ridiculous because they would arrive at my conclusion if they consider it.
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I am not a religious person. I have given my position and it is not even close to a "religious" perspective. Does the REALITY of existence contain a God or not. My position is that we do not know...and cannot make an informed guess.

People who call themselves "atheists" do what theist do...make a blind guess, albeit in the opposite direction from the religionists. But there are NO informed guesses on the subject. There is only a blind guess.

Which is why atheists try to sell the nonsense that the only reason they are atheists is because they lack a "belief" in a god. That is not the reason they do...and it certainly is not the reason YOU do. You are blindly guessing that there are no gods...or blindly guessing that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.


QP! said:
So I will leave the ridiculous Spaghetti monster out if you leave the ridiculous other gods out as there is no proof of any of them.
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The question we are supposedly discussing is whether there are any gods involved in the REALITY of existence. There is no keeping the possibility of gods out of it. You want to introduce a different issue in order to avoid having to discuss your blind guesses that there are no gods.
QP! said:
More for to my actual point however is we do not generally define as beliefs the infinite things a person does not believe in the way theists want to define atheists.
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So what. You want to heap scorn and contempt on people who are blindly guessing differently from you. Stop defining the word atheist and set out your position clearly without using the word...so you can avoid having to change its definition to fit the situation you are in.
QP! said:
If I were to ask you if you held a belief Lego was your god, you would likely say you hold no such belief on that topic and it is foolish.
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Let us stick with whether or not there are any gods. Screw Lego...or the spaghetti monster...or the teapot...or the Christian god or Thor or Jove or Zeus.

We are discussing whether there are ANY gods...or whether the blind guesses of the religionists or the blind guesses of the atheists are correct.
QP! said:
Lego is every bit as valid a belief for an individual to hold in that it is also based on nothing.
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Come back to the discussion. Stop asking for anyone to produce evidence of a particular god. We are not discussing whether any particular god exists. WE ARE DISCUSSING WHETHER ANY GODS EXSIST OR NOT.

Hint: Best answer is "I do not know and cannot make a decent guess."
 
QP! said:
I will make this one statement that i am quite certain no one who believes in a god will disagree with.

'Since mankind has been on this planet they have formed beliefs around thousands of god like beings all of which but one (my god) is not accurate or true.'

For the atheist the mere fact that they add only that one single additional god in, to the list of thousands, is what religious people disagree with.

They see no absurdity in that.
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Okay. So...back to the actual question:

Are there any gods involved in the REALITY of existence?

Answer that question. Just answer it. There are three choices:

1) Yes there is at least one GOD involved.
2) No, there are no gods involved.
3) Beats the shit out of me.

Which is it?
 
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