They claim the American left don’t believe in God.

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Apparently she has more names than that demon in the Bible. lol

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So, as I said, it is called the "Trump Bible" because it is an adulterated version of the Scripture accepted as authentic by most Christian sects. You debated this and were, as always proven wrong. It's not surprising though that a cult member like yourself would have no problem with this -- as long as it's your #MaliciousMessiah peddling it.

I have a strong suspicion that it would be a completely different story if, say, Pres. Biden or Pres. Obama had hawked *their* own version of the Holy Book.
It is a KJV of the Bible and the reviewer that I watched said he could find no alteration of the KJV in the Bible that Trump is selling. Anyone that depends on SOLELY ONE version of the Bible probably does not understand fully what it says. Bibles are interpreted by committee and if you look at multiple versions you will at times gain a better interpretation of a verse. The additional section that is in this Bible is on glossy color paper and is clearly not part of the KJV of the Scripture.
 
And then when you ask an atheist what kind of evidence they're waiting to see, they either don't have an intelligible answer, or they say something that could be written off as hallucination, mental illness, coincidence, or delusion - like God writing their name in the sky, etc.

The other suspect constraint they place on theism is that it has to be one of the ancient bronze or iron age gods from the Near East, India, Greece, Rome, or the Norse people. They pretty much avoid more modern renditions of a rational higher power like the Deism of Thomas Jefferson, the god of Spinoza, the pantheism of Einstein.

Great point.

I see no conceivable prospect in the future that there will be adequate scientific explanations for the origin of the universe, the origin of life, the nature of consciousness. We still don't even really understand what gravity is at the level of fundamental reality 500 years after Isaac Newton.

So an over-confidence and over-reliance on the scientific experimental method supposedly being the source of all our knowledge is a seriously flawed worldview.

I got as much knowledge from the Tao Te Ching and the Dhammapada as I got from my physics and calculus college textbooks.
They always want others to prove to them their beliefs are wrong. Weird!

Not an expert, but Quantum Physics seems a likely avenue of exploring the fabric of reality. Agreed empirical science has limitations since it's limited to the Natural Universe.
 
Better yet, you can supply the OP...and I given the opportunity to post my rendition of the conflict.

I'm not sure we can find an objective forum for this question. There will almost always be more atheists than people of my particular agnostic take. But I can live with that. I am saying that your response was a response, BUT NOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

And if more people agree with your argument that it was an answer, than with mine (50% no need for 75%) I will acknowledge your win and leave JPP...with fond memories of everyone. (No obligation on your part to even acknowledge anything.)

Your response WAS NOT an answer to my question at all.
Why are you so afraid of merely posting the initial exchange which is the clear one i posted above where you demand i answer a question with one of three replies ONLY and i then i reply 'that is not sufficient for me... here is my reply' which you then claim is wrong.

That is a clear cut question. Was i wrong or not to answer as i did.

We were not debating the OP nor anything else. This was about you saying i was wrong to reply as i did.

- You put out a clear question
- i gave my answer
- You said my answer was not appropriate (does not address the question)
- i maintain my answer was appropriate (does address the question)

That is it. The ENTIRETY of what we are arguing about and putting in the OP does not help clarify it.

But feel free to write the question that you think frames our debate and if i agree that is the one i will post in the forum you choose from the ones i present to you.
 
His faith is strong... For a number of reasons... That kind of faith is making a comeback in America these days....Take a look around... Those who have abandoned their religious beliefs may just want to take a second look....
He has none. Every time Trump was asked about the bible, he had no answer. He did a song and dance, trying to cover up for his lack of knowledge about it. Any time he talked about religion, he was embarrassing. He is a user of people and girls. Is that religious? He makes the little people suffer. Is that religious? You throwing in with such a horrible person means you do not understand what Christianity is supposed to be.
 
He has none. Every time Trump was asked about the bible, he had no answer. He did a song and dance, trying to cover up for his lack of knowledge about it. Any time he talked about religion, he was embarrassing. He is a user of people and girls. Is that religious? He makes the little people suffer. Is that religious? You throwing in with such a horrible person means you do not understand what Christianity is supposed to be.
You're wrong.. Not a bit of truth to what you just said . .but I understand why you feel that way... Just remember only 3 more years.And then you can complain about JD...
 
i don't hold a "belief" either way that a deity exists or not as i do not form such "beliefs" without evidence.

To say " i demand you form a belief on XYZ" whether it be gods, aliens or other when the person says he has no data points to do so, is simply absurd.

Before i form a BELIEF i want to see some evidence, one way or the other that leads me to a belief, and until then i will remain agnostic or open to being convinced in either direction.

Again to say you must be part of 'team believers' or 'team non believers' is fine for those who fit those two boxes but to DENY a third box can exist "I have not yet come to a point of any belief" ... is absurd.
Then you are agnostic, not atheist.

There are many beliefs you have that are not based on scientific evidence. The trustworthiness of a friend. The loyalty of a spouse. The value of equality and beauty. The value of art and music. The belief that certain actions are objectively morally wrong, independent of scientific experiments or personal whims.
 
Why are you so afraid of merely posting the initial exchange which is the clear one i posted above where you demand i answer a question with one of three replies ONLY and i then i reply 'that is not sufficient for me... here is my reply' which you then claim is wrong.

That is a clear cut question. Was i wrong or not to answer as i did.

Yu responded the way you want...which I acknowledged.

But your response did NOT answer my question. You have a choice not to answer it, but have the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that you have not answered it.
We were not debating the OP nor anything else. This was about you saying i was wrong to reply as i did.

I did NOT say you were wrong. I did not say that at all. I said your response did NOT answer the question.
- You put out a clear question
- i gave my answer
- You said my answer was not appropriate (does not address the question)
- i maintain my answer was appropriate (does address the question)

I said that your response did not answer my question.

Take a look at the question and take a look at your response.

IT DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION...and if you are involved in a discussion as complex as this one, you should be able to see that.
That is it. The ENTIRETY of what we are arguing about and putting in the OP does not help clarify it.

Look at what I said above.
But feel free to write the question that you think frames our debate and if i agree that is the one i will post in the forum you choose from the ones i present to you.
Okay...

I asked the following question:

"Are there any gods involved in the REALITY of existence?"

After you avoided that question a couple of times with nonsense, I even suggested some responses, to wit:

1) Yes there is at least one GOD involved.
2) No, there are no gods involved.
3) Beats the shit out of me.

I then gave my clear answer to the question: I do not know (and then added) I do not have enough evidence to make a meaningful guess. (all paraphrased from my initial:

I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...nor do I see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about which is more likely…so I do not guess on either of those things.


(When I use the word "GOD or gods" here, I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)

All I got from you was more babble and avoidance of that question. (you can fill in links to your non-answer responses)
 
He has none. Every time Trump was asked about the bible, he had no answer. He did a song and dance, trying to cover up for his lack of knowledge about it. Any time he talked about religion, he was embarrassing. He is a user of people and girls. Is that religious? He makes the little people suffer. Is that religious? You throwing in with such a horrible person means you do not understand what Christianity is supposed to be.
It's one thing for a right-wing Christian to hold their nose and reluctantly vote for a morally bankrupt sleazebag.

But it takes a special kind of fake Christian to spend nine years on internet forums frantically and enthusiastically defending a morally corrupt sleazebag. I don't defend people I don't like.


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That is so wrong-headed, it defies imagination.

Print this discussion out and take it to the nearest university to you...ask to speak with a professor of logic. explain to him that you are the QP...and then ask for an evaluation of your responses.

He/she will tell you that you are way, way out of your depth in the discussion.

Or don't.

Let us continue.

Here is a perfectly logical question:

Are there any gods involved in the REALITY of existence?

The answer is either a YES, NO, or I DO NOT KNOW.

You apparently are terrified of giving one of those answers.

Not sure why.

Give it another try.
I usually give the fourth answer, "I do not care."
 
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