T. A. Gardner
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Be careful with matches... You might ignite all the strawmen you're creating.
This election isn't the first contested one
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Be careful with matches... You might ignite all the strawmen you're creating.
BidenPresident
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AProudLefty
Adorable how loser is screeching for attention. :)
Dude, contested elections are common knowledge.
There have been a couple of times that people reacted poorly at the electoral college vote count. It was never a plot to overthrow a fair election. It was never a plan by lots of people like this is. This is a real threat to the American experiment. The government has never been in danger on Jan.6th counts. The Reds are threatening exactly that.
Don't pretend this is business as usual.
Don't pretend this is business as usual.
T. A. Gardner
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Not to you apparently since you didn't bring up the election of 1876, I did. I used it as an example of a more contested, far more contested, election in the US than this one. It was to shut up the argument that Trump was doing something new and unique, unprecedented in US history.
Typical might be this NYT article that claims Trump's actions exceed the 1876 election but never exactly show how...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/politics/trump-election.html
Here's one where Piers Morgan does the same thing with out any evidence or reasoning behind his statements...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/e...ld-trump-election_au_5fa38a74c5b660630aee422d
More of the same:
https://www.channel3000.com/unprece...s-argue-trump-election-suit-in-federal-court/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/20/trump-white-house-losing-448903
The Left is bandying the word "unprecedented" around a lot right now. Too bad none of them can actually explain how once you look at history the way they claim it should be looked at: Critically.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Wow, we have to go all the way back to 1876 to find a sore loser as big as Trump? How embarrassing for Trumpcucks.
AProudLefty
Adorable how loser is screeching for attention. :)
Why would I bring up the election of 1876? There is no point of that. It doesn't excuse Trump and the GOP's attempt too subvert democracy.
It should concern you as an America.
T. A. Gardner
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Why? Because historical perspective is critical to understanding events today. There's every point in that. Biden will be made president. Trump's actions aren't illegal, just those of a sore loser.
Trump's actions don't particularly concern me at this point because he hasn't stepped outside of the law as it stands. You might not like them, I don't have to either, but it's his Right to do what he's doing legally.
The crisis comes if Biden isn't confirmed, and there's a near zero chance that will happen.
Oh, another reason to look at 1876. That was a subversion of democracy. A backroom deal was made to put a President in place rather than go with the popular vote and electoral college vote. None of that has happened so far in the 2020 election so you are dead, flat, wrong that Trump and the GOP are attempting to subvert democracy--at least to this point in time. So long as what they do is legal it is politic and that is a healthy thing in a democracy. The alternative is a dictatorship where one party or one person rules.
AProudLefty
Adorable how loser is screeching for attention. :)
Yes I know.
T. A. Gardner
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See, this is how the left lies. I never said that, and what you quoted is a lie. But the Left's got nothing else to work with so that's where they go...
AProudLefty
Adorable how loser is screeching for attention. :)
How am I lying? You obviously are excusing their actions. Why? If it was any other president, you'd be screaming bloody murder.
T. A. Gardner
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Show where you quoted that from. Give me the original post I made where I stated that.
Look, we can disagree all we want. We can have nothing in common on anything posted on this board. But don't go making up shit I never stated and claiming to quote it because that's nothing but outright lying. Don't pretend for a second that you can read my mind or what my intentions or thoughts are because you can't.
I have no problem defending what I post and you can disagree with it all you want but don't use outright bald faced lies to try and support your position.
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The 1876 election has absolutely nothing in common with this one. That was 20 years after the Civil war and into reconstruction.
Trump is just refusing to concede. He is trying to cheat in this election. He is afraid of facing the future without the protections of the presidency. He knows what he has done.
He showed real panic by calling the Georgia secty of state. He is screaming at people to save him. They can't.
There is nobody who remembers the 1876 election and they did not use it as a blueprint. There is no man alive who remembers a fiasco like this one Trump is manufacturing. This is not business as usual.
Trump is just refusing to concede. He is trying to cheat in this election. He is afraid of facing the future without the protections of the presidency. He knows what he has done.
He showed real panic by calling the Georgia secty of state. He is screaming at people to save him. They can't.
There is nobody who remembers the 1876 election and they did not use it as a blueprint. There is no man alive who remembers a fiasco like this one Trump is manufacturing. This is not business as usual.
AProudLefty
Adorable how loser is screeching for attention. :)
Making what shit up?
gemini104104
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What should be done now against un American and enemy combatant republicans who have waged war, there was a first time Congressional members were expelled at engaging in sedition and insurrection against Democracy:
On March 14, 1861, senators debated what to do with seats left vacant by their Southern colleagues. Did the states or their representatives have the right to leave the Union? Some senators, such as Maine’s William Pitt Fessenden, insisted that Southern states did not have the right to withdraw from the Union. By leaving the Senate, Fessenden argued, Southern members had effectively resigned their seats. Others, such as Delaware’s James Bayard, believed states did have the right to secede and that seats held by Southern secessionists no longer existed. The Senate should not declare their seats vacant but simply strike their names from the roll. After a heated exchange, the Senate sided with Fessenden and passed a resolution declaring the seats of six of their departed colleagues “vacant” and authorizing the Secretary of the Senate to strike their names from the Senate roll.
In July the Senate debated the fate of Southern members whose terms had not expired and who had not formally notified the Senate of their withdrawal. An intense debate followed. Senator Milton Latham of California opposed expulsion, insisting that it reflected poorly “upon the personal character of the individual” and implied “turpitude.” The author of the resolution, New Hampshire’s Daniel Clark , urged his colleagues to pass the resolution and “deny here, on the floor of the Senate, the right of any State to secede,” by expelling Southern members “from the councils of the nation.” The Senate approved Clark’s resolution on July 11, 1861, expelling 10 absent members by a vote of 32-10.
Senators barred four more members for disloyalty during the course of the war. On December 4, 1861, the Senate expelled John Breckinridge of Kentucky for taking up “arms against the Government he had sworn to support.” On January 10, 1862, the Senate voted unanimously to expel Missouri’s two senators, Waldo Johnson and Trusten Polk, for “sympathy with and participation in the rebellion against the Government of the United States.” On February 5, 1862, the Senate passed a resolution to expel Indiana’s Jesse Bright for disloyalty to the Union based on a letter he addressed to “His Excellency Jefferson Davis,” in which Bright introduced his acquaintance, a Texas arms dealer, to the president of the Confederacy."
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/expulsion_cases/CivilWar_Expulsion.htm
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Really?
Then why have teabaggers constantly pushed for socialism since Reagan?
Of course, all of it corporate socialism.
AProudLefty
Adorable how loser is screeching for attention. :)
Who thinks Socialism is a good thing for the US government?
Are you worried t would slow down the plutocracy? That is what the Repubs are creating.
AProudLefty
Adorable how loser is screeching for attention. :)
Those Repubs can go fuck themselves.