Yakuda
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Irrelevant to complaining about something
In all honesty I find most atheists to be uptight assholes as well as pretentious assholes.
This is insane
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In all honesty I find most atheists to be uptight assholes as well as pretentious assholes.
You're free to imagine there are vast amounts of liberals out there who hate church bells, and dream of suing to shut them up.
I kind of like the sound of church bells, and have never met a single, solitary person in my life who complained about them.
Yakuda
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Where did I say there were vast amounts of liberals complaining? I was merely inquiring if you knew that thinks don't require you to have seen or heard about them in order for them to be true.
Ok. So what? That means no one ever has right? It also doesn't change the fact that most atheists I've had the misfortune to run across are uptight and pretentious assholes.
T. A. Gardner
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They don't do it at the crack of dawn. The point I made is that the city specifically changed their noise ordinances to allow for the adhan to be sounded early in the morning and at night (2 of the 5 times) where it couldn't be before because of those ordinances. This now becomes essentially noise pollution for non-Muslims on a daily basis and the city allows it.
christiefan915
Catalyst
"Crack of dawn" is ambiguous. Catholic churches ring bells at "daybreak" to remind its followers to pray the Angelus.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
No, it's not. I've lived in Muslim countries. The first prayer call goes at the crack of dawn. Here in the Phoenix metro area, tomorrow's first prayer call is at 4 am with start MNT (Morning Nautical Twilight). That is the sun isn't up yet, but it's bright enough to see as daylight. The last call is at 8:45 pm. Later in summer, that last one will be at almost 10 pm.
So we agree that there isn't, and never was, a meaningful number of people who wanted to shut up Christian church bells.
In that case, it's hard to fathom why anyone would be uptight about the Muslim call to prayer.
Yakuda
Verified User
No we don't. We can assume it but unlike you I don't think my experience is the entirety of reality. Maybe this is why you leftists have so many problems.
I'm not unless you can show where I said such a thing. Oh that's right you can't.
WinterBorn
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I missed the part of the US Constitution that guarantees you quiet in the city.
If you don't mind traffic noise, loud music and people yelling, but are somehow harmed by a call to prayer, church bells, or other sounds of people of faith, you have issues.
T. A. Gardner
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It isn't a federal law you retard. That is a local issue, and most cities of any size have noise laws. Maybe you should reread the Constitution and notice the part where anything not listed is reserved to the states or The People.
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WinterBorn
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It isn't a federal law you retard. That is a local issue, and most cities of any size have noise laws. Maybe you should reread the Constitution and notice the part where anything not listed is reserved to the states or The People.
Noise Limits by City: Hosting Events Without Breaking the Law in 2025
Planning a birthday brunch, baby shower, BBQ, or just a fun hangout at home? Whether it’s a cozy get-together or a bigger event like a block party or live music night, there’s more to think about than just food and guest lists—exceeding permitted sound levels or running
It doesn't matter. What I posted stands, whether it is a federal, state, or local law.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
It isn't in the Constitution because it's a state and local matter you retard.
WinterBorn
Verified User
As I said, the fact that I was in error when I said "US Constitution" does not change the accuracy of what I said.
And lighten up on the "retard" crap. If I was mentally retarded, calling me a retard would be sick. Now it just looks childish and petty.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
you would complain because you hate Jesus and god.
They only snivel about those evul Xians. they luvs them some of that Muslim butt sniffing in mosque stuff.
Into the Night
Verified User
Christmas is held during the winter solstice days, just after the solstice itself.
Most religions have celebrations during the winter solstice.
Thus, most companies, and also government agencies. allow a holiday or holidays around that time.
In the United States, which has predominantly Christian beliefs, the federal government recognizes this and tends to label these holidays as 'Christmas Holiday'.
Many government agencies also put up a Christmas tree (which really comes from Saturnia celebrations).
Oddly enough, most religions don't particularly celebrate the summer solstice. I guess everyone is out enjoying the summer.
Now to the 1st amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This amendment applies only to Congress. It does not apply to any State, private organization, or individual.
It cannot create any law that establishes a state religion nor bans any free exercise of any religion.
Putting up a Christmas tree is not a law.
Giving federal employees paid time off for a list of holidays is not establishing a religion, even if one of those holidays is 'Christmas break'.
Private companies also tend to observe a 'Christmas break', but are not required to.
A Christmas holiday is not banning any religion either, or prohibiting it's free exercise.
Into the Night
Verified User
The 1st amendment applies ONLY to Congress (and the rest of the federal government as a result). It does not apply to States, cities, towns, or individuals.
Anti-noise ordinances passed by cities and towns are quite legal, even if that noise is religiously based. The 1st amendment does not apply here, since these ordinances are passed by local governments and not Congress.
Into the Night
Verified User
You are bullshitting again. Why do you think there are city ordinances about church bells and other such noise?
Into the Night
Verified User
No need. If noise is a problem, go get the town council to pass a law limiting the noise.
Into the Night
Verified User
Yes. And they DO tend to be Karens (uptight assholes).