This is insane

If it's not violating a noise ordinance, there's nothing any lawyer can do about church bells.

Have you ever heard anyone complain about church bells? Because that would make them an uptight asshole.
Irrelevant to complaining about something

In all honesty I find most atheists to be uptight assholes as well as pretentious assholes.
 
Irrelevant to complaining about something

In all honesty I find most atheists to be uptight assholes as well as pretentious assholes.
You're free to imagine there are vast amounts of liberals out there who hate church bells, and dream of suing to shut them up.

I kind of like the sound of church bells, and have never met a single, solitary person in my life who complained about them.
 
You're free to imagine there are vast amounts of liberals out there who hate church bells, and dream of suing to shut them up.

I kind of like the sound of church bells, and have never met a single, solitary person in my life who complained about them.
Where did I say there were vast amounts of liberals complaining? I was merely inquiring if you knew that thinks don't require you to have seen or heard about them in order for them to be true.

Ok. So what? That means no one ever has right? It also doesn't change the fact that most atheists I've had the misfortune to run across are uptight and pretentious assholes.
 
How is it different than multiple churches ringing their bells all over creation, and at different times?

It's the people you don't like, not the sound.
They don't do it at the crack of dawn. The point I made is that the city specifically changed their noise ordinances to allow for the adhan to be sounded early in the morning and at night (2 of the 5 times) where it couldn't be before because of those ordinances. This now becomes essentially noise pollution for non-Muslims on a daily basis and the city allows it.
 
They don't do it at the crack of dawn. The point I made is that the city specifically changed their noise ordinances to allow for the adhan to be sounded early in the morning and at night (2 of the 5 times) where it couldn't be before because of those ordinances. This now becomes essentially noise pollution for non-Muslims on a daily basis and the city allows it.
"Crack of dawn" is ambiguous. Catholic churches ring bells at "daybreak" to remind its followers to pray the Angelus.
 
"Crack of dawn" is ambiguous. Catholic churches ring bells at "daybreak" to remind its followers to pray the Angelus.
No, it's not. I've lived in Muslim countries. The first prayer call goes at the crack of dawn. Here in the Phoenix metro area, tomorrow's first prayer call is at 4 am with start MNT (Morning Nautical Twilight). That is the sun isn't up yet, but it's bright enough to see as daylight. The last call is at 8:45 pm. Later in summer, that last one will be at almost 10 pm.
 
Where did I say there were vast amounts of liberals complaining? I was merely inquiring if you knew that thinks don't require you to have seen or heard about them in order for them to be true.

Ok. So what? That means no one ever has right? It also doesn't change the fact that most atheists I've had the misfortune to run across are uptight and pretentious assholes.
So we agree that there isn't, and never was, a meaningful number of people who wanted to shut up Christian church bells.

In that case, it's hard to fathom why anyone would be uptight about the Muslim call to prayer.
 
So we agree that there isn't, and never was, a meaningful number of people who wanted to shut up Christian church bells.

In that case, it's hard to fathom why anyone would be uptight about the Muslim call to prayer.
No we don't. We can assume it but unlike you I don't think my experience is the entirety of reality. Maybe this is why you leftists have so many problems.

I'm not unless you can show where I said such a thing. Oh that's right you can't.
 
Doesn't change what I stated. When religion, whatever religion, intrudes on the general public in a way that cannot be avoided, it is an infringement on your 1st Amendment rights. Having prayer call wailing across a city does that. It might be fine in some Muslim country, but it isn't in the US.

I missed the part of the US Constitution that guarantees you quiet in the city.

If you don't mind traffic noise, loud music and people yelling, but are somehow harmed by a call to prayer, church bells, or other sounds of people of faith, you have issues.
 
I missed the part of the US Constitution that guarantees you quiet in the city.

It isn't a federal law you retard. That is a local issue, and most cities of any size have noise laws. Maybe you should reread the Constitution and notice the part where anything not listed is reserved to the states or The People.

 
It isn't a federal law you retard. That is a local issue, and most cities of any size have noise laws. Maybe you should reread the Constitution and notice the part where anything not listed is reserved to the states or The People.


It doesn't matter. What I posted stands, whether it is a federal, state, or local law.
 
It isn't in the Constitution because it's a state and local matter you retard.

As I said, the fact that I was in error when I said "US Constitution" does not change the accuracy of what I said.

And lighten up on the "retard" crap. If I was mentally retarded, calling me a retard would be sick. Now it just looks childish and petty.
 
If it's not violating a noise ordinance, there's nothing any lawyer can do about church bells.

Have you ever heard anyone complain about church bells? Because that would make them an uptight asshole.
you would complain because you hate Jesus and god.
 
This is clearly a violation of the 1st Amendment where government is favoring one religion over others. Why haven't the Atheists sued?

They only snivel about those evul Xians. they luvs them some of that Muslim butt sniffing in mosque stuff.

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xmas is federal holiday

xmas Day is recognized as a federal holiday with specifically Christian origins.



like xmas?
Christmas is held during the winter solstice days, just after the solstice itself.
Most religions have celebrations during the winter solstice.

Thus, most companies, and also government agencies. allow a holiday or holidays around that time.
In the United States, which has predominantly Christian beliefs, the federal government recognizes this and tends to label these holidays as 'Christmas Holiday'.

Many government agencies also put up a Christmas tree (which really comes from Saturnia celebrations).

Oddly enough, most religions don't particularly celebrate the summer solstice. I guess everyone is out enjoying the summer.

Now to the 1st amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This amendment applies only to Congress. It does not apply to any State, private organization, or individual.
It cannot create any law that establishes a state religion nor bans any free exercise of any religion.

Putting up a Christmas tree is not a law.
Giving federal employees paid time off for a list of holidays is not establishing a religion, even if one of those holidays is 'Christmas break'.
Private companies also tend to observe a 'Christmas break', but are not required to.

A Christmas holiday is not banning any religion either, or prohibiting it's free exercise.
 
As Christians have been told for something like 100 years to stop ringing their bells.

Yes, the suiciding West is insane.

Buckle Up.
The 1st amendment applies ONLY to Congress (and the rest of the federal government as a result). It does not apply to States, cities, towns, or individuals.

Anti-noise ordinances passed by cities and towns are quite legal, even if that noise is religiously based. The 1st amendment does not apply here, since these ordinances are passed by local governments and not Congress.
 
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