This is your RedNecklican Party. A party of hate, racism and violence

[Into the Night]

There are fringe extremists on both sides. Extremism in any form is dangerous. I ignore the extremists. They're not worthy of my attention.
Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best form of economics there is. I do think there needs to be some form of taxation of the very wealthy (Billionaires). It's morally obscene to me that a guy like Bezos can be worth $100 billion and pay very little taxes.
My hero is Bill Gates who has dedicated the last 20 years of his life on philanthropic ventures. He thinks Donald mini-strokes Trump is a moron too.

Bezos did not have $100 billion in income. He provides what people want and provides it very well.

Bill, on the other hand, is a plagiarist. DOS came from CP/M. Windows came from the Mac and the Plato system. He tried to steal Unix. C# came from Java. Azure came from AWS. He steals stuff from others and implements them badly. His only real talent is in marketing.

Some hero.

 

[Into the Night]

What is the "history of capitalism in America"? Capitalism has been responsible for dramatically improving the lives of more ordinary people than any other system ever devised.

Capitalism began even before the United States was founded. People hacked a civilization out the wilderness. They grew their crops, built their homes, became at manufacturing many useful items. All where there was nothing but wilderness before. Capitalism is the creation of wealth by producing products and services.

Capitalism indeed has been responsible for dramatically improving the lives of ordinary people. Capitalism IS ordinary people providing and creating products and services.

 

[Into the Night]

Simply put, the tRump presidency has made it socially acceptable to put hate on vivid display.

Inversion fallacy. You are talking about the Democrats.

 

[cawacko]

Laissez-faire, IIRC, means without government regulation.
Crony capitalism means the corporations have total control.

If I am wrong, people are free to correct me. But that's what the definitions I know.

I believe crony capitalism to be a close relationship between businesses and the politicians/state. Instead of free markets where companies rise and fall on their merit. There are lots of examples. One could be politicians putting regulations in place that restrict competition for existing businesses by creating barriers to entry. We could list many others.

 

[AProudLefty]

Bezos did not have $100 billion in income. He provides what people want and provides it very well.

Bill, on the other hand, is a plagiarist. DOS came from CP/M. Windows came from the Mac and the Plato system. He tried to steal Unix. C# came from Java. Azure came from AWS. He steals stuff from others and implements them badly. His only real talent is in marketing.

Some hero.

See you can be sensible sometimes. Your post is very rational.

 

[AProudLefty]

I believe crony capitalism to be a close relationship between businesses and the politicians/state. Instead of free markets where companies rise and fall on their merit. There are lots of examples. One could be politicians putting regulations in place that restrict competition for existing businesses by creating barriers to entry. We could list many others.

Yeah. Unrestricted capitalism would include things like child labor and slavery.

And yes you're correct about crony capitalism being about a relationship between businesses and government.

 

[CFM]

I think it has to do with the history of capitalism in America. But yeah I don't hear much about racism in businesses nowadays.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/25/is-capitalism-racist

Anyone that argues capitalism is racist and supports white supremacy is saying that whites can be successful under such a system but blacks can't.

It's the same thing with voting/registering. Those that argue voter suppression takes place is admitting that blacks can't do what white have no problem doing. Either that or the requirements for a white person to register to vote is less than for a black person.

 

[AProudLefty]

Anyone that argues capitalism is racist and supports white supremacy is saying that whites can be successful under such a system but blacks can't.

It's the same thing with voting/registering. Those that argue voter suppression takes place is admitting that blacks can't do what white have no problem doing. Either that or the requirements for a white person to register to vote is less than for a black person.

If you're talking about the claims about the modern day capitalism, then yes I agree with you.

 

[IBDaMann]

"There are fringe extremists on both sides." Enough said

Don't fall for it. There's nothing indicating the above-mentioned individuals were not ANTIFA-type communists, i.e. Marxist Leftists.

The fact that one pretended to be a registered Republican to infiltrate events does not change anything.

 

[IBDaMann]

Yeah. Unrestricted capitalism would include things like child labor and slavery.

Incorrect. Capitalism would cover those topics but it doesn't include any of them. Learn some economics.

And yes you're correct about crony capitalism being about a relationship between businesses and government.

"Crony Capitalism" is an empty buzzword used by those who don't understand economics and who feel a need to fake it.

 

[StoneByStone]

There are fringe extremists on both sides. Extremism in any form is dangerous. I ignore the extremists. They're not worthy of my attention.

The big difference is that the Extremists on the Right have become the norm. The leader of the Republicans is a literal Fascist who refuses to condemn his openly far-right supporters. The leader of the Democrats is a Moderate who has condemned Antifa.

 

[IBDaMann]

If I am wrong, people are free to correct me. But that's what the definitions I know.

OK, will do.

Crony capitalism means the corporations have total control.

There is no such thing as "Crony Capitalism." It's an empty buzzword. Show me someone who uses that term and I'll show you someone who is shitty at economics.

 

[StoneByStone]

There is no such thing as "Crony Capitalism." It's an empty buzzword. Show me someone who uses that term and I'll show you someone who is shitty at economics.

I actually agree here. Crony Capitalism is simply Capitalism. When wealth is allowed to pool among a tiny minority of people, that minority gets too powerful and can then set the regulations. And of course, they don't set regulations to help their working-class competition, rather they create regulations that help themselves.

So yes, anyone who says things like "Capitalism isn't working because it's not real Capitalism, it's Crony Capitalism," just doesn't understand how Capitalism works.

 

[AProudLefty]

Incorrect. Capitalism would cover those topics but it doesn't include any of them. Learn some economics.

What's incorrect about child labor and slavery?

"Crony Capitalism" is an empty buzzword used by those who don't understand economics and who feel a need to fake it.

Fake what?

 

[IBDaMann]

The big difference is that the Extremists on the Right have become the norm. The leader of the Republicans is a literal Fascist who refuses to condemn his openly far-right supporters. The leader of the Democrats is a Moderate who has condemned Antifa.

You have an insane perspective.

Extremists on the Left employ mindless violence. Extremists on the Right employ logical arguments that address issues. There's a good reason that extremists on the Right aren't normally condemned because rational discourse is how we are supposed to treat issues, not with the Left's immediate response of violence and ruining the lives of others.

You still have not learned the meanings of "fascism," "socialism" and "dictator" yet you use those terms to lace your vitriol and inadvertently render it all meaningless.

 

[IBDaMann]

What's incorrect about child labor and slavery?

This is a stupid question as worded. Learn English. Apply topic-question agreement.

Fake what?

Rational, meaningful discussion.

 

[StoneByStone]

You have an insane perspective.

Extremists on the Left employ mindless violence. Extremists on the Right employ logical arguments that address issues. There's a good reason that extremists on the Right aren't normally condemned because rational discourse is how we are supposed to treat issues, not with the Left's immediate response of violence and ruining the lives of others.

Actually, most political violence in America is right-wing. Which makes sense, if you're aware of the origins of the Right.
In fact, I'd say the stats on left-wing violence exaggerate how violent the Left is. Most studies consider Muslim Theocrats and Black Supremacists to be left-wing, which really makes no sense.

You still have not learned the meanings of "fascism," "socialism" and "dictator" yet you use those terms to lace your vitriol and inadvertently render it all meaningless.

#projection

 

[AProudLefty]

This is a stupid question as worded.

Nope. The history of Capitalism includes child labor. We can discuss the history of Communism that includes child labor too.

Rational, meaningful discussion.

Okay, so start.

 

[IBDaMann]

When wealth is allowed to pool among a tiny minority of people,

It cannot be prevented. Why pretend to try? The wealth that people have was given to them in exchange for some value that they added to society and to the lives of others. Some people add more value to society than others. How do you plan to make all people add the same amount of value to society? I'd really like to know.

... that minority gets too powerful

Nope. Society is always bigger and more powerful ... in the United States that is. In fascist countries you support, dictators become virtually omnipotent, and you applaud every step of the way.

And of course, they don't set regulations to help their working-class competition,

The "they" of whom you speak don't set the regulations. You are confusing people and groups of people egregiously, mostly because you are confused egregiously.

So yes, anyone who says things like "Capitalism isn't working because it's not real Capitalism, it's Crony Capitalism," just doesn't understand how Capitalism works.

People who claim that fascism is far-right don't understand how much of anything works.

 

[IBDaMann]

Nope. The history of Capitalism includes child labor.

Your grasp of economics is poor. Economics is a set of models, it is not history. You would have done well to take a class or two.

I can explain to you the economics of child labor but the history of economics is limited to the development of the models.

We can discuss the history of Communism that includes child labor too.

Communism is not economics, but rather is an anti-economics religion that hates the supply-demand curve and that denies human nature. Sure, religions have history.