Torture

Care to tell us the number of captives we've sawed the heads off of??

Do you have the locations of those mass graves that we're trying to hide??
Who the fuck cares. Since we haven't sawed any heads off or hidden mass graves EVERYTHING we do is ok? Your logic is faulty. violations of rights are wrong regardless of their severity. Just like Shoplifting is a crime as is murder. But do either one and you are a criminal
 
Who the fuck cares. Since we haven't sawed any heads off or hidden mass graves EVERYTHING we do is ok? Your logic is faulty. violations of rights are wrong regardless of their severity. Just like Shoplifting is a crime as is murder. But do either one and you are a criminal

Ah.

If only, when caught shoplifting, we could all turn around and say "Oh but Jeffrey Dahmer!"
 
Who the fuck cares. Since we haven't sawed any heads off or hidden mass graves EVERYTHING we do is ok? Your logic is faulty. violations of rights are wrong regardless of their severity. Just like Shoplifting is a crime as is murder. But do either one and you are a criminal

You were the one that said we were BEHAVING like other criminals
I didn't know that you could be sentenced to death, for shoplifting!!
 
Who the fuck cares. Since we haven't sawed any heads off or hidden mass graves EVERYTHING we do is ok? Your logic is faulty. violations of rights are wrong regardless of their severity. Just like Shoplifting is a crime as is murder. But do either one and you are a criminal

No. Youre article on waterboarding was interesting but not relevant. What you fail to see is there is a difference between something is offensive to some and criminal by the definition of the law.

All your purpose is to try and make them the same, which is faulty. You can be offended by US personnel waterboarding, but then claim its torture and charge criminality is a different matter.

Are you going to get to the point where if the food tastes bad, that too will be torture? Restraining the hands using hand cuffs? Will this too become torture? Holding prisoners in a confined space? Will that become torture?

Dont you think its important to have a little perspective?

SR
 
Boy, the sound of conservatives rebutting you are deafening.


The best statement on torture I have heard so far came from a Marine Sergeant who was stationed in Iraq.

They came to us in the thousands to surrender, they trusted us, they knew they would be treated well by the Americans, in doing so, they saved American soldiers and Iraqi lives, and we betrayed them by torturing them.

It is not the exact quote, couldn't find it right now, but it gives you the jest of the idea!

I think this Sergeant nailed it
 
I reiterate:
Then we can do away with the Geneva Convention??

Domestic Legislation

Torture is prohibited under 18 U.S.C. § 2340. The definition of torture used is as follows:

1. "torture" means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
2. "severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from - (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality; (C) the threat of imminent death; or (D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality;

In 2004 the Immigration and Nationality Act was amended to make aliens who, whilst abroad, have committed torture, extra-judicial killings, or particularly severe violations of religious freedom, inadmissible to the United States, and therefore deportable.[1]

[edit] Prohibition under International Law

Torture in all forms is banned by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), which the United States participated in drafting. The United States is a party to the following conventions (international treaties) which prohibit torture: the American Convention on Human Rights (signed 1977) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (signed 1977; ratified 1992). It has neither signed nor ratified the Inter-American Convention to Prevent and Punish Torture.[2]

[edit] UN Convention Against Torture
Main article: UN Convention Against Torture

The United States is a party to the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, which originated in the United Nations General Assembly on December 10, 1984, and signed by the President Ronald Reagan on April 18, 1988. Ratification by the Senate took place on October 27, 1990. The Senate put forward a number of reservations including:

* Restricting the definition of "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" to the cruel, unusual and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and/or Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution
* Restricting acts of torture to the following list: "(1) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (2) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality; (3) the threat of imminent death; or (4) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality."[3]

International law defines torture during an armed conflict as a war crime. It also mandates that any person involved in ordering, allowing and even insuffuciently preventing and prosecuting war crimes is criminally liable under the command responsibility doctrine.

Military field manuals
Main article: U.S. Army Field Manuals

In late 2006, the military issued updated field manuals on intelligence collection (FM 2-22.3. Human Intelligence Collector Operations, September 2006) and counterinsurgency (FM 3-24. Counterinsurgency, December 2006). Both manuals reiterated that "no person in the custody or under the control of DOD, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment, in accordance with and as defined in US law."[10] Specific techniques described as prohibited in the intelligence collection manual include:

* Forcing the detainee to be naked, perform sexual acts, or pose in a sexual manner.
* Placing hoods or sacks over the head of a detainee; using duct tape over the eyes.
* Applying beatings, electric shock, burns, or other forms of physical pain.
* Waterboarding
* Using military working dogs.
* Inducing hypothermia or heat injury.
* Conducting mock executions.
* Depriving the detainee of necessary food, water, or medical care.[11]


For your information
 
Domestic Legislation

Torture is prohibited under 18 U.S.C. § 2340. The definition of torture used is as follows:

1. "torture" means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
2. "severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from - (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality; (C) the threat of imminent death; or (D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality;

In 2004 the Immigration and Nationality Act was amended to make aliens who, whilst abroad, have committed torture, extra-judicial killings, or particularly severe violations of religious freedom, inadmissible to the United States, and therefore deportable.[1]

[edit] Prohibition under International Law

Torture in all forms is banned by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), which the United States participated in drafting. The United States is a party to the following conventions (international treaties) which prohibit torture: the American Convention on Human Rights (signed 1977) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (signed 1977; ratified 1992). It has neither signed nor ratified the Inter-American Convention to Prevent and Punish Torture.[2]

[edit] UN Convention Against Torture
Main article: UN Convention Against Torture

The United States is a party to the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, which originated in the United Nations General Assembly on December 10, 1984, and signed by the President Ronald Reagan on April 18, 1988. Ratification by the Senate took place on October 27, 1990. The Senate put forward a number of reservations including:

* Restricting the definition of "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" to the cruel, unusual and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and/or Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution
* Restricting acts of torture to the following list: "(1) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (2) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality; (3) the threat of imminent death; or (4) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality."[3]

International law defines torture during an armed conflict as a war crime. It also mandates that any person involved in ordering, allowing and even insuffuciently preventing and prosecuting war crimes is criminally liable under the command responsibility doctrine.

Military field manuals
Main article: U.S. Army Field Manuals

In late 2006, the military issued updated field manuals on intelligence collection (FM 2-22.3. Human Intelligence Collector Operations, September 2006) and counterinsurgency (FM 3-24. Counterinsurgency, December 2006). Both manuals reiterated that "no person in the custody or under the control of DOD, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment, in accordance with and as defined in US law."[10] Specific techniques described as prohibited in the intelligence collection manual include:

* Forcing the detainee to be naked, perform sexual acts, or pose in a sexual manner.
* Placing hoods or sacks over the head of a detainee; using duct tape over the eyes.
* Applying beatings, electric shock, burns, or other forms of physical pain.
* Waterboarding
* Using military working dogs.
* Inducing hypothermia or heat injury.
* Conducting mock executions.
* Depriving the detainee of necessary food, water, or medical care.[11]


For your information

Was that a YES or a NO, for scrapping the Geneva Convention??
 
Exactly, thanks for spelling it out for him.

Loked like you two were the ones that needed it SPELLED OUT; because the question was asked and the two of you appeared to be afraid to just answer it, by posting what you hoped to spin the question to.

Thanks for finally growing up and half way acting like an adult.
Please don't keep trying for that goal of acting completely like an adult.
 
No. Youre article on waterboarding was interesting but not relevant. What you fail to see is there is a difference between something is offensive to some and criminal by the definition of the law.

All your purpose is to try and make them the same, which is faulty. You can be offended by US personnel waterboarding, but then claim its torture and charge criminality is a different matter.

wait, this sounds somewhat familiar........i've almost got it.......

Nixon said 'when the president does it, it's not illegal."

how'd that work out?
 
I'm still checking on execution but some were certainly charged and imprisoned.

In United States of America v. Hideji Nakamura, Yukio Asano, Seitara Hata, and Takeo Kita (U.S. Military Commission, Yokohama, 1-28 May, 1947. NARA Records, NND 735027 RG 153, Entry 143 Box 1025)
<snip>
1st Lt Seitero Hata was convicted and sentenced to 25 years hard labor.
<snip>
Yukio Asano, a civilian, was convicted and sentenced to 15 years hard labor.
<snip>
Sgt Major Kita, was convicted and sentenced to 15 years hard labor.
<snip>
Genji Meneno, another civilian, was convicted and sentenced to 20 years hard labor.

In related trials, summarized at the UC/Berkely War Crimes Study Center,
Hiroyuki Morita was convicted and sentenced to 15 years hard labor for using other or George Bush's favored "enhanced interrogation techniques" -- so-called stress positions and hypothermia.
Sergeant Masatoshi Sawamura was convicted and sentenced to 30 years hard labor for, among other things, "forcing PW to stand at attention for a long period of time, sometimes in cold weather without sufficient clothing and on one occasion, in the nude; throwing a bucket of ice cold water over PW in cold weather;water treatment which entailed forcing water down PWs throat and nostrils using among others a hose, tubes; picking up and throwing PW to the ground; banging head against a wall; raising and lowering a sword on a PWs neck in an effort to make him give information.


[url]http://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/wallach_drop_by_drop_draft_20061016.pdf


please cite to the case that ordered the "executed"
 
I'm still checking on execution but some were certainly charged and imprisoned.

In United States of America v. Hideji Nakamura, Yukio Asano, Seitara Hata, and Takeo Kita (U.S. Military Commission, Yokohama, 1-28 May, 1947. NARA Records, NND 735027 RG 153, Entry 143 Box 1025)
<snip>
1st Lt Seitero Hata was convicted and sentenced to 25 years hard labor.
<snip>
Yukio Asano, a civilian, was convicted and sentenced to 15 years hard labor.
<snip>
Sgt Major Kita, was convicted and sentenced to 15 years hard labor.
<snip>
Genji Meneno, another civilian, was convicted and sentenced to 20 years hard labor.

In related trials, summarized at the UC/Berkely War Crimes Study Center,
Hiroyuki Morita was convicted and sentenced to 15 years hard labor for using other or George Bush's favored "enhanced interrogation techniques" -- so-called stress positions and hypothermia.
Sergeant Masatoshi Sawamura was convicted and sentenced to 30 years hard labor for, among other things, "forcing PW to stand at attention for a long period of time, sometimes in cold weather without sufficient clothing and on one occasion, in the nude; throwing a bucket of ice cold water over PW in cold weather;water treatment which entailed forcing water down PWs throat and nostrils using among others a hose, tubes; picking up and throwing PW to the ground; banging head against a wall; raising and lowering a sword on a PWs neck in an effort to make him give information.


[url]http://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/wallach_drop_by_drop_draft_20061016.pdf

But wasn't this about EXECUTIONS??
 
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