Trump and Hegseth are goofy over sedition and treason

QP! said:
So you refuse to answer that simple and clear question as you realize it completely invalidates the point you are trying to make prior.

Next time just save us time and say you give up and concede i was correct. :rofl2:
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Your position is a soldier can at anytime he chooses defy a commanding officer's order. I disagree. That is my position.

Never.
 
RB 60 said:
Your position is a soldier can at anytime he chooses defy a commanding officer's order. I disagree. That is my position.

Never.
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LIE.

I have never said anything such but they must not follow illegal orders. You trying to change my statement to 'any order' shows how deeply dishonest, oh and stupid, you are.

Why won't you now answer this question RB? Afraid of what it makes you admit?

QP! said:
I am saying if soldiers are told to shoot unarmed protesters in America every soldier must determine that is illegal and not do it. Or they will face trial and conviction and jail.

Do you agree or not?
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^^Answer that question RB. Don't be scared. :rofl2: :rofl2:
 
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Maybe you should answer my question, simpleton. Who determines an illegal order?

If a soldier feels his life, or the life of a fellow troop is in danger, he can do what needs to be done to eliminate the threat. So can I...
 
RB 60 said:
Maybe you should answer my question, simpleton. Who determines an illegal order?

If a soldier feels his life, or the life of a fellow troop is in danger, he can do what needs to be done to eliminate the threat. So can I...
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Creating a scenario like that is not arguing the point. The point is, soldiers have to obey the military rules of combat. They cannot follow illegal orders. This whole mess is because Trump says they will do what I tell them, believe me. That indicates he will tell them to do things against the code. What other American leader says things like that?
 
Nordberg said:
Creating a scenario like that is not arguing the point. The point is, soldiers have to obey the military rules of combat. They cannot follow illegal orders. This whole mess is because Trump says they will do what I tell them, believe me. That indicates he will tell them to do things against the code. What other American leader says things like that?
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As I've asked (and cannot get an answer to) is who determines an order illegal? You? Me? The bigoted racist faggot guno? Who?
 
RB 60 said:
Maybe you should answer my question, simpleton. Who determines an illegal order?

If a soldier feels his life, or the life of a fellow troop is in danger, he can do what needs to be done to eliminate the threat. So can I...
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I already did. If a soldier is given the order to shoot american citizens who are at a peaceful protest it is up to them to use whatever consultation they can access, Jag, Leadership, etc, and make that decision to not act themselves as they cannot say 'just following orders' as a defense when they are charged.

Now you answer mine.

QP! said:
I am saying if soldiers are told to shoot unarmed protesters in America every soldier must determine that is illegal and not do it. Or they will face trial and conviction and jail.

Do you agree or not?
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Nordberg said:
Creating a scenario like that is not arguing the point. The point is, soldiers have to obey the military rules of combat. They cannot follow illegal orders. This whole mess is because Trump says they will do what I tell them, believe me. That indicates he will tell them to do things against the code. What other American leader says things like that?
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That is going to go way over Rb's intellect level to understand.

it is why he is running like crazy from answering my question to him as he knows each soldier must make that decision if given that order and he cannot say it as he sees the trap i set for him exposing his stupidity.

So he will duck and run from that question and avoid answering it.
 
QP! said:
I already did. If a soldier is given the order to shoot american citizens who are at a peaceful protest it is up to them to use whatever consultation they can access, Jag, Leadership, etc, and make that decision to not act themselves as they cannot say 'just following orders' as a defense when they are charged.

Now you answer mine.
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Who would give an order to shoot unarmed citizens? If it were to happen, it surely would have years ago.
We've seen this play out before. I doubt it will happen again.
 
Tobytone said:
This comment is for libtards that breath through their nose and have never read the instructions on a shampoo bottle, not for Jakey Boy.

That harpy's entire job at CIA was analyzing propaganda videos, to judge exactly this kind of footage for its effectiveness. Her whole career was studying clips just like the one she made, then writing reports on how well they sowed division, distrust, and chaos inside enemy ranks. When the investigators sit her ass down, they're going to slide her own classified assessments across the table and ask, 'So what was your professional verdict on these, sweetheart? Which ones worked best? Which ones ripped units apart the fastest?' She won't have to guess, they'll already have her signatures on the answers, because grading psychological warfare videos was literally her paycheck.

They all knew precisely what they were doing, and it's ugly as hell.
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You are not going to stop anyone for speaking up for the Constitution and civil liberties.

What drivel.
 
RB 60 said:
So you're saying every soldier has the ability to determine if an order is legal or illegal? How fucking ignorant are you?
War has casualties, sad as it is. But it is a fact that innocents die. Are you saying a soldier can himself determine if he shoots or not? Really?
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That depends on every soldier if he is able to determine such. But he is "ordered" by the UCMJ to not obey unlawful orders. "Just following orders" did not work for Gernan nazis MAGA and it won't work for American MAGA.
 
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Tobytone said:
This comment is for libtards that breath through their nose and have never read the instructions on a shampoo bottle, not for Jakey Boy.

That harpy's entire job at CIA was analyzing propaganda videos, to judge exactly this kind of footage for its effectiveness. Her whole career was studying clips just like the one she made, then writing reports on how well they sowed division, distrust, and chaos inside enemy ranks. When the investigators sit her ass down, they're going to slide her own classified assessments across the table and ask, 'So what was your professional verdict on these, sweetheart? Which ones worked best? Which ones ripped units apart the fastest?' She won't have to guess, they'll already have her signatures on the answers, because grading psychological warfare videos was literally her paycheck.

They all knew precisely what they were doing, and it's ugly as hell.
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They are patriots, and you people are trash to be swept out. You will be next fall.
 
Jake Starkey said:
That depends on every soldier if he is able to determine such. But he is "ordered" by the UCMJ to not obey unlawful orders. "Just following orders" did not work for Gernan nazis MAGA and it won't work for American MAGA.
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This isn't Nazi Germany. Why do so many libtards think it is?
 
RB 60 said:
Who would give an order to shoot unarmed citizens? If it were to happen, it surely would have years ago.
We've seen this play out before. I doubt it will happen again.
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You have already proven you are going to do everything to duck and never answer my question while i answer yours and you then ask follow up questions.

I am not playing that. If you want me to answer any more of yours, then answer my very plain and simple question i have over and over above.

Or keep ducking it showing you know you cannot answer it without making yourself look stupid. :rofl2:
 
Jake Starkey said:
... because your MAGA mentality acts it, R B 60.

You want a Trump America run like Nazi Germany,
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RB is not arguing the discussion at hand.

All of his replies can be summed up as 'I do not believe any illegal orders will be given... this is not nazi germany' , or some version of that.

WHat the Military Academies teach is a hypothetical. That hypothetical is 'IF AN ILLEGAL ORDER IS GIVEN, YOU MUST REFUSE TO ACT ON IT'.

RB simply will not engage that hypothetical and instead keeps switching to demand 'what order' so he can say 'no one would give that order'. His attempt it irrelevant to the hypothetical. We do not have to GUESS what an order might look like.

It could be a superior in war zone, like Afghanistan, who is negotiating with the Taliban to allow drug shipments to flow to the US (things we know HAVE happened) ordering his juniors to participate or shut up and 'not see anything'.

Again the hypothetical i give has happened but that does not matter. They hypothetical does not require a successful as it speaks to ALL future illegal orders.

But RB is stuck on stupid, a place he has never been able to find his way out of.
 
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