Trump goes right into the belly of the beast and PACKS the Garden!

[Daylight63]

few of them what?

people able to pick fruit?

you could pick fruit.

are you too good to pick fruit?

See? This is the problem. Given the kind of conditions these people work in to pick our fruits and vegetables NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would do it if they had ANY other choice. The work is grueling, the pay is very low and the working conditions include constant exposure to some pretty nasty pesticides. And it's not just mom and dad....it's the kids. So ask yourself if you would voluntarily do that? Would you do it to your kids as well?

In reality the whole issue of illegal immigration shows exactly how horrible we as a society can be to other people of lesser means.

The MAGA crowd wants to get rid of all of them. They never seem to say "Hey! Let's ensure that this kind of labor has value and the workers who do it are treated humanely"....no they say "Illegals are taking our jobs!" but they're jobs you would honestly never raise your hand to do.

You just wouldn't. And if you say you would you are lying. Pure and simple.

 

[Jarod]

What is it?

Haha, good point, hard to tell, but he said he would vote for Florida's abortion Amendment which is a guaranteed right to abortion until 24th week.

 

[Daylight63]

and you don't want Americans to have jobs going forward or what?

1) YOU would never last a day doing the kind of work these illegals do on a daily basis and you'd never sit still for the meager pay
2) YOU will be the first in line to scream about how horrible the prices are on groceries when you have to pay Americans to do the work. They won't be as cheap and they will force you to keep them safe.

 

[Tbird19482]

and you don't want Americans to have jobs going forward or what?

DID I EVER SAY THAT ASSHOLE?

 

[Lao Tse]

1) YOU would never last a day doing the kind of work these illegals do on a daily basis and you'd never sit still for the meager pay
2) YOU will be the first in line to scream about how horrible the prices are on groceries when you have to pay Americans to do the work. They won't be as cheap and they will force you to keep them safe.

bullshit.

you just like slavery and hate Americans.

globalism is a race to the bottom for working people.

the new jobs in the nation from the other anti globalist measures will make up for everything.

the globlist assjackers like you are trying to put american citizens on extinguish.

this is why you're losing.

 

[Lao Tse]

DID I EVER SAY THAT ASSHOLE?

why do you want illegals to take all jobs, because you're old and don't give a fuck anymore?

 

[Tbird19482]

and you don't want Americans to have jobs going forward or what?

And I also know several large Farmers in south FLA a couple of them not far from Trumps place and if it wasn't for the cheap labor they get they would have to raise the price of their goods, and they have been employing Cubans and other people that will do that back breaking work for years.

 

[Daylight63]

bullshit.

you just like slavery and hate Americans.

globalism is a race to the bottom for working people.

the new jobs in the nation from the other anti globalist measures will make up for everything.

the globlist assjackers like you are trying to put american citizens on extinguish.

this is why you're losing.

Unfortunately you also like slavery. We all do. It's the backbone of our consumer economy. We like cheap goods. We are willing to close our eyes and let corporations do whatever they want in our name to get us those goods cheaply.

You are complicit. Run from it as you like. We are all guilty of this sin. And we never repent of it. We just buy more.

Don't believe me? Just look at how upset Americans are due to the price rises due to inflation after COVID. If you succeed in bringing all manufacturing back to the US the costs WILL be higher. They can't be otherwise.

So, YES, let's bring the jobs back here. But be prepared for just about 99% of your fellow MAGA supporters to scream an unending scream when they have to pay Americans to do work that we currently outsource to prison and slave labor.

 

[Lao Tse]

And I also know several large Farmers in south FLA a couple of them not far from Trumps place and if it wasn't for the cheap labor they get they would have to raise the price of their goods, and they have been employing Cubans and other people that will do that back breaking work for years.

there will be subsidies while we re align our economy for domestic production.

it's worth it to pay Americans more so they have jobs and it keeps the money in the economy.

trickle down only works in the context of tariffs.

 

[Daylight63]

And I also know several large Farmers in south FLA a couple of them not far from Trumps place and if it wasn't for the cheap labor they get they would have to raise the price of their goods, and they have been employing Cubans and other people that will do that back breaking work for years.

I have spoken to this poster at length about how tariffs impact consumer good prices and now this about how labor costs will also impact prices. I'm all for bringing jobs back to the US but it isn't going to be cheap and it isn't going to be outpatient surgery. It's going to be hard and expensive.

But I fear that Lao doesn't really understand how the market works. They seem to think that tariffs will either be paid by the goodness of the CEO's from their bonus pool or he thinks that it will cause the jobs to magically teleport back to the US overnight without a hiccup. He has expressed an astounding lack of understanding of corporate governance or how corporations set prices.

I guess it's much easier to take a hardline economically if one doesn't understand how reality works.

 

[Lao Tse]

Unfortunately you also like slavery. We all do. It's the backbone of our consumer economy. We like cheap goods. We are willing to close our eyes and let corporations do whatever they want in our name to get us those goods cheaply.

You are complicit. Run from it as you like. We are all guilty of this sin. And we never repent of it. We just buy more.

Don't believe me? Just look at how upset Americans are due to the price rises due to inflation after COVID. If you succeed in bringing all manufacturing back to the US the costs WILL be higher. They can't be otherwise.

So, YES, let's bring the jobs back here. But be prepared for just about 99% of your fellow MAGA supporters to scream an unending scream when they have to pay Americans to do work that we currently outsource to prison and slave labor.

no. i don't like slavery.

you do.

cheap prices mean nothing when all the jobs are gone. people are starting to see that.

trading with slave states like china only incentivizes slavery and is a race to the bottom for all working people.

we should boycott Chinese slave goods.

we used to have moral trade positions.

now the globalists have forced immoral trade upon us.

this is all coming to an end.

all hail Jesus.

 

[Daylight63]

there will be subsidies while we re align our economy for domestic production.

No there won't.

Do you want the government to control the economy and pick winners and losers? YOu don't sound like you understand the free market.

it's worth it to pay Americans more so they have jobs and it keeps the money in the economy.

Agreed. I agree with you 100%.

But you don't seem to understand how that will negatively impact the purchasing power of Americans. It's as if you have no clue how industry works or how money is made.

 

[Tbird19482]

why do you want illegals to take all jobs, because you're old and don't give a fuck anymore?

AGAIN did I EVER say that?
When are YOU going to realize there ARE jobs that some people will not do and these people are willing to do them. And as I said my friends that own those farms will hire anybody willing to work at those back breaking jobs, So if you need a job I will put in a good word for you.
You are probably like a lot of people I have seen over the years I remember people saying Over paid under worked Auto workers , and then when they did get a job in the plant I worked at, some of them were walking out saying they were not going to work like a N----- slave no matter how much they paid them and never came back.
That couple of hours changed their mind and I am pretty sure a few hours in the field will change yours too.

 

[Lao Tse]

AGAIN did I EVER say that?
When are YOU going to realize there ARE jobs that some people will not do and these people are willing to do them. And as I said my friends that own those farms will hire anybody willing to work at those back breaking jobs, So if you need a job I will put in a good word for you.
You are probably like a lot of people I have seen over the years I remember people saying Over paid under worked Auto workers , and then when they did get a job in the plant I worked at, some of them were walking out saying they were not going to work like a N----- slave no matter how much they paid them and never came back.
That couple of hours changed their mind and I am pretty sure a few hours in the field will change yours too.

you're just old and you don't care about the lives of future citizens.

you're actually human garbage, not pragmatic and thoughtful.

go fuck yourself.

 

[Daylight63]

no. i don't like slavery.

Yes you do! LOL. You know it, too.

cheap prices mean nothing when all the jobs are gone. people are starting to see that.

Actually when the jobs get more scares cheap prices mean EVERYTHING. But you seem to not understand how money or industry works.

trading with slave states like china only incentivizes slavery and is a race to the bottom for all working people.

So why do you do it every day?

we should boycott Chinese slave goods.

Form your mouth to God's ear. But that ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

we used to have moral trade positions.

When was that?

now the globalists have forced immoral trade upon use.

WE are the globalists. OUR CEO's. You really don't understand how corporations work. I can understand why you won't openly admit to what part of the economy you work in. It must be menial.

this is all coming to an end.

Indeed. I'm ready for it. Are you? I suspect, given your utter lack of understanding of basic economics, you will be VERY unpleasantly surprised by the cost you will pay.

 

[Tbird19482]

there will be subsidies while we re align our economy for domestic production.

it's worth it to pay Americans more so they have jobs and it keeps the money in the economy.

trickle down only works in the context of tariffs.

I thought you MAGA were against higher taxes and giving money to people for nothing.
What happened, Now you are going to give subsidies and to whom?
The workers or the Large Corps so they can rack up more record profits?

 

[Lao Tse]

Yes you do! LOL. You know it, too.



Actually when the jobs get more scares cheap prices mean EVERYTHING. But you seem to not understand how money or industry works.

in context of trumps plan of repatriating more jobs with more anti-globalization, people will have more money to pay the higher prices.

and keeping all wages in the country will mean a massively wealthier economy overall.

you refuse to learn the bigger picture.

you're very dumb.

rejecting globalist stupidity is a long term restructuring, but very worth it for many reasons.

 

[Lao Tse]

I thought you MAGA were against higher taxes and giving money to people for nothing.
What happened, Now you are going to give subsidies and to whom?
The workers or the Large Corps so they can rack up more record profits?

tariffs are not taxes.

it's a different word with a different meaning.

I thought you Dems were against human slavery and for the American worker?

you're a sold out fraud and traitor.

 

[Daylight63]

tariffs are not taxes.

HONEST QUESTION asked for the billionth time: WHO pays the tariff costs?

Just tell us who you think pays them? Do you think the CEO's tap into their bonus pools for it? Do you think the corporation says "We'll take the hit to our bottom line!"

Just who do you think pays them?

 

[Lao Tse]

HONEST QUESTION asked for the billionth time: WHO pays the tariff costs?

Just tell us who you think pays them? Do you think the CEO's tap into their bonus pools for it? Do you think the corporation says "We'll take the hit to our bottom line!"

Just who do you think pays them?

it's passed along to the customer, but because the customer has a good job and the economy is wealthy from all the wages staying domestic, it's not a big deal.

you need to have a balanced, pragmatic view and not be a myopic idiot stuck on a singular idiotic doctrine.

don't fear change.

or is money only worth printing if it goes directly to foreign oligarchs and the military industrial complex?