Trump is RIGHT about Regaining the Panama Canal

[Diogenes]

My memory is excellent.

This you?

I stand corrected. I thought I remembered reading that the US sold it to them for $1.

Roll, Tide!

 

[Diogenes]

I understand what you mean. If you maintain an objective distance, they are a fascinating study. But when I am looking for actual discussion, they bore me.

LOL

Roll, Tide!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

"38,000 American men" did not die "from mosquitoes" or other causes, in connection with construction of the canal. Most of the deaths were of Panamanians and other Central and South Americans, including thousands who died during the years France was managing work on the canal.

Hater is both a liar and a hater, but I think his main problem is faulty upstairs plumbing. He believes all sorts of weird things. I'm not sure where he gets those ideas, but he laps it up like a thirsty dog.

It's not that I think most MAGAts are evil. It's that most are either so stupid or demented that they sincerely believe the bullshit they repost. Is there any doubt that LibHater is unable to verify facts? That he sees something he agrees with and reposts it without checking to see if it's true?

The actual American death toll was 5,609 although not all would have been US citizens.

Human costs and completion​

Where tropical fevers—yellow fever and malaria in particular—had decimated the ranks of French workers with an estimated loss of over 20,000 lives, those in charge of the American effort were determined to prevent the same thing from happening again. American medical staff understood how the diseases were transmitted and how they could be controlled, and by 1906 the Canal Zone had become safer for work to resume in earnest. Even with such precautions, accidents and disease claimed the lives of 5,609 workers during the American effort.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's cheaper to transship goods from the port of Los Angeles to Jacksonville Florida and then across the Atlantic or other similar destinations than it is to use the Panama Canal.

How Much Does It Cost to Go Through the Panama Canal?

If you're going to ride a yacht or transport cargo through the Panama Canal, be ready to pony up some serious cash. The cost to go through the Panama Canal equates to a big stack

www.cheapestdestinationsblog.com

Sending a container ship through the Panama Canal today can run upwards of $500,000 in fees and other taxes to use it. Then there's the increased time in transit along with the greater use of fuel due to increased distance.

It's cheaper and faster today to simply unload in a port like Los Angeles or Jacksonville and move the containers--most cargo goes in containers--via rail to the other coast for reloading on a ship there.

It's a standard fee for everyone. Workers for the locks, maintenance and supply bills have to be paid too.

Why are you supporting spilling both American and Panamanian blood over this?

From your own link:
Boats under 65 feet pay a $1,600 toll, From 65 feet up to 80 feet $2,400, More than 80 feet up to 100 feet $3,500, 100 feet is $4,100, with all these small vessels also paying a $165 security deposit as well.

The cost for reserving your slot to go through the canal is $10,500 for ships less than 91 feet long and the fee jumps to $40,000 and $50,000 for ships bigger than 107 feet long. If you decide you want to stick around, mortgage and anchorage fees start at $75 a day for the first 30 days. There is also a $75 inspection for all small vessels, regardless of size.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It's a standard fee for everyone. Workers for the locks, maintenance and supply bills have to be paid too.

Why are you supporting spilling both American and Panamanian blood over this?

From your own link:
Boats under 65 feet pay a $1,600 toll, From 65 feet up to 80 feet $2,400, More than 80 feet up to 100 feet $3,500, 100 feet is $4,100, with all these small vessels also paying a $165 security deposit as well.

The cost for reserving your slot to go through the canal is $10,500 for ships less than 91 feet long and the fee jumps to $40,000 and $50,000 for ships bigger than 107 feet long. If you decide you want to stick around, mortgage and anchorage fees start at $75 a day for the first 30 days. There is also a $75 inspection for all small vessels, regardless of size.

Not my point you retard. The overall cost of transiting the canal is often greater than shipping the same cargo by rail across the US from a Pacific port to an Atlantic port.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Not my point you retard. The overall cost of transiting the canal is often greater than shipping the same cargo by rail across the US from a Pacific port to an Atlantic port.

Great! Ship it by rail. What's all the whining about then, Terry?

The fact you dodged the questions is always telling. LOL

 

[Uncensored2008]

The United States did not sell the Panama Canal.

False - traitor Carter sold the Canal for $1

The U.S. did transfer control of the canal to Panama.

This was accomplished through the Torrijos-Carter Treaties, signed in 1977 by U.S. President Jimmy Carter and Panamanian leader Omar Torrijos.

The treaties stipulated that the Panama Canal would be turned over to Panama on December 31, 1999. This was not a sale but rather a transfer of control and ownership back to Panama, recognizing Panamanian sovereignty over the canal and the surrounding area.


Roll, Tide!

The terms of the treaty was sale of control for $1

 

[Uncensored2008]

I stand corrected. I thought I remembered reading that the US sold it to them for $1.

You are correct.

 

[Diogenes]

Carter sold the Canal for $1 The terms of the treaty was sale of control for $1

Is that so?

Cite the relevant text ... if you can.

 

[Diogenes]

You are correct.

Is he?

 

[Diogenes]

We built the Panama Canal, and then basically gave it to Panama.

Roll, Tide!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Is that so?

Cite the relevant text ... if you can.

Did the US sell the Panama Canal for one dollar? - Geographic FAQ Hub: Answers to Your Global Questions

Did the US sell the Panama Canal for one dollar? Yes, the US sold the Panama Canal to Panama for a nominal fee of $1. Did the US buy the Panama Canal? Yes, the United States acquired the rights to build and operate the Panama Canal in the early 20th century. The Hay-Herrán Treaty, negotiated …...

www.ncesc.com

 

[Diogenes]

 

[Tobytone]

The Panama Canal is considered a VITAL National Asset for the United States, due to its critical role to America's Economy and National Security. A secure Panama Canal is crucial for U.S. Commerce, and rapid deployment of the Navy, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and drastically cuts shipping times to the U.S. ports. The United States is the Number One user of the Canal, with over 70 percent of all transits heading to, or from, U.S. ports.

The Panama Canal opened for business 110 years ago, and was built at HUGE cost to the United States in lives and treasure--38,000 American men died from infected ,mosquitoes in the jungles during construction. Teddy Roosevelt was president of the U.S. at the time of its building, and understood the strength of Naval power and trade.

Jimmy Carter foolishly gave it away, for one Dollar, during his term in Office (similar to biden selling Trump's wall pieces for pennies on the dollar).
Carter giving the Canal away was for Panama to manage, not China, or anyone else. It was likewise not given to Panama to charge the U.S., its Navy, and corporations, doing business with our Country, exorbitant prices and rates of passage. Our Navy and Commerce have been treated in a very unfair and injudicious way. The fees being charged by Panama are ridiculous, especially knowing the extraordinary generosity that has been bestowed to Panama by the U.S. This "Rip-Off" of our country will immediately stop by the Trump administration.

This democrat (Jimmy Carter) inflicted "RIP-OFF" of our country will immediately stop by Trump's upcoming administration.

This "RIP-OFF" kind of reminds me of how our NATO allies have been ripping off the U.S. by not paying their fair share while we help them defend their own borders in Europe. But again, Trump will make NATO pay its fair share, just like they did under Trump #45.

Let me tell you, Trump's still got the magic touch. I caught a segment on Greenland, and despite the collective meltdown from both the left and some on the right when Trump posted about why we need it, I didn't immediately recoil. Really, it was because of.... let's call it positive reinforcement training, lol. (I can hear the drones now.) There were plenty of times in his first term where his shock-and-awe approach nailed a problem or solution, teaching us not to react without digging deeper. The left could've learned something from that.(I know, I know, not in the cards)

Anyways, from what I've seen and heard, I'm pretty damn sure a deal's gonna happen where everyone wins, except maybe the Dutch, but that's on them. It'll be a massive win for us with those rare earth minerals (potentially cutting or even eliminating our reliance on China) and, more crucially, giving us better offensive and defensive positioning (far better us having it than them). The latest buzz is that Greenlanders are all ears, eager to listen. Between Panama and Greenland, two things nobody had on their bingo card, we're now looking at, what seems like some real 'no shit, Dick Tracy' moments. And the kicker, Trump isn't even President yet.

 

[Libhater]

Let me tell you, Trump's still got the magic touch. I caught a segment on Greenland, and despite the collective meltdown from both the left and some on the right when Trump posted about why we need it, I didn't immediately recoil. Really, it was because of.... let's call it positive reinforcement training, lol. (I can hear the drones now.) There were plenty of times in his first term where his shock-and-awe approach nailed a problem or solution, teaching us not to react without digging deeper. The left could've learned something from that.(I know, I know, not in the cards)

Anyways, from what I've seen and heard, I'm pretty damn sure a deal's gonna happen where everyone wins, except maybe the Dutch, but that's on them. It'll be a massive win for us with those rare earth minerals (potentially cutting or even eliminating our reliance on China) and, more crucially, giving us better offensive and defensive positioning (far better us having it than them). The latest buzz is that Greenlanders are all ears, eager to listen. Between Panama and Greenland, two things nobody had on their bingo card, we're now looking at, what seems like some real 'no shit, Dick Tracy' moments. And the kicker, Trump isn't even President yet.

You nailed it, for everything Trump does concerning our on site needs to attain access to that land in Greenland
can and will help America in so many ways.

 

[Into the Night]

The Panama Canal is considered a VITAL National Asset for the United States, due to its critical role to America's Economy and National Security. A secure Panama Canal is crucial for U.S. Commerce, and rapid deployment of the Navy, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and drastically cuts shipping times to the U.S. ports. The United States is the Number One user of the Canal, with over 70 percent of all transits heading to, or from, U.S. ports.

The Panama Canal opened for business 110 years ago, and was built at HUGE cost to the United States in lives and treasure--38,000 American men died from infected ,mosquitoes in the jungles during construction. Teddy Roosevelt was president of the U.S. at the time of its building, and understood the strength of Naval power and trade.

Jimmy Carter foolishly gave it away, for one Dollar, during his term in Office (similar to biden selling Trump's wall pieces for pennies on the dollar).
Carter giving the Canal away was for Panama to manage, not China, or anyone else. It was likewise not given to Panama to charge the U.S., its Navy, and corporations, doing business with our Country, exorbitant prices and rates of passage. Our Navy and Commerce have been treated in a very unfair and injudicious way. The fees being charged by Panama are ridiculous, especially knowing the extraordinary generosity that has been bestowed to Panama by the U.S. This "Rip-Off" of our country will immediately stop by the Trump administration.

This democrat (Jimmy Carter) inflicted "RIP-OFF" of our country will immediately stop by Trump's upcoming administration.

This "RIP-OFF" kind of reminds me of how our NATO allies have been ripping off the U.S. by not paying their fair share while we help them defend their own borders in Europe. But again, Trump will make NATO pay its fair share, just like they did under Trump #45.

The treaty put together by Carter is now being broken by the government of Panama.

* The Canal is not being properly maintained, as required by the treaty.
* The Canal is not charging in a uniform manner, as required by the treaty.
* Sections at either end of the Canal are being given to Chinese authorities, in violation of the treaty.

 

[Into the Night]

Just a reminder, when you get your information from trump, it is usually a lie.

About 28,000 people died during the construction of the Panama Canal, not 38,000. About 22,000 died during the French phase of the construction, so not American. Exactly 5,609 died during the American phase of the construction. The reason that so many fewer died during the American phase, and the reason we have an exact number of the deaths, is the Americans took health more seriously.

Anyway, about half of those 5,609 were actually American citizens. America hired from anywhere, and gave the most dangerous jobs to foreigners.

About 38,000 people died building or attempting to build the Canal and associated railway. Most of them were French living in America at the time (so American). The United States lost approx. 4200 until U.S. officials finally succeeded in controlling the yellow fever problems in building that Canal.

The Canal was finally completed under a treaty, giving the U.S. rights to the Canal.
In 1999, a 2nd treaty, put together by Carter, transferred operations to the government of Panama. This treaty contained a clause that would cause the Canal to revert back to U.S. control should the terms of the treaty be violated.

Panama has violated the treaty.

 

[Into the Night]

^^^Another post from the post truth alt right.

Buzzword fallacy. There is no such thing as an 'alt right'.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Panama Canal is considered a VITAL National Asset for the United States, due to its critical role to America's Economy and National Security. A secure Panama Canal is crucial for U.S. Commerce, and rapid deployment of the Navy, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and drastically cuts shipping times to the U.S. ports. The United States is the Number One user of the Canal, with over 70 percent of all transits heading to, or from, U.S. ports.

The Panama Canal opened for business 110 years ago, and was built at HUGE cost to the United States in lives and treasure--38,000 American men died from infected ,mosquitoes in the jungles during construction. Teddy Roosevelt was president of the U.S. at the time of its building, and understood the strength of Naval power and trade.

Jimmy Carter foolishly gave it away, for one Dollar, during his term in Office (similar to biden selling Trump's wall pieces for pennies on the dollar).
Carter giving the Canal away was for Panama to manage, not China, or anyone else. It was likewise not given to Panama to charge the U.S., its Navy, and corporations, doing business with our Country, exorbitant prices and rates of passage. Our Navy and Commerce have been treated in a very unfair and injudicious way. The fees being charged by Panama are ridiculous, especially knowing the extraordinary generosity that has been bestowed to Panama by the U.S. This "Rip-Off" of our country will immediately stop by the Trump administration.

This democrat (Jimmy Carter) inflicted "RIP-OFF" of our country will immediately stop by Trump's upcoming administration.

This "RIP-OFF" kind of reminds me of how our NATO allies have been ripping off the U.S. by not paying their fair share while we help them defend their own borders in Europe. But again, Trump will make NATO pay its fair share, just like they did under Trump #45.

^^^
Proves he never served in the US military.

Why do you want to start a war over something that isn't a problem, Hater?

What have American ships been denied that others have been given on the Panama Canal?

 

[Into the Night]

We built the Panama Canal, and then basically gave it to Panama. It is a done deal. They own it.

Unless you are advocating using military force, there is no way the canal comes back to ownership by the US.

No, they don't own it. They operate it according to treaty. That treaty carries requirements that the government of Panama MUST conform to, else the treaty is null and void. The control of the Canal reverts back to the United States.