Trump J/6 indictment document

[Port Tack]

More uneducated TDS laced stupidity from the biggest thread troll on the forum. I wish you could buy some brains and self-awareness. Really I do.

You are the one with TDS.

 

[Port Tack]

Wrong, but alas, you're an idiot and a Biden voter. There is nothing complex about this indictment. It's merely a copy of the January 6th inquisition. Nothing more.

It is also an unconstitutional reach that attacks the First Amendment. And while they can find a hack judge to try this case, and perhaps even a hack appeals court, it will never pass the smell test with the Supreme Court.

Imagine, claiming politicians who lie or dispute an election as being criminal. If you had a scintilla of intelligence, that alone should strike fear into anyone believing in Democracy and freedom.

Trump is not being charged with anything related to the first amendment.

 

[Port Tack]

The crime of the century is watching Democrats violate constitutional norms, act like censuring Fascists and weaponizing the DOJ to protect a senile, unaccomplished, lying crook who sold out to the Chinese and Ukrainians.

you have no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden. None whatsoever.

 

[Port Tack]

I am amused that you believe he won't. Biden voter, right?

If he is on the general election ballot it will be as a third party which would be great, Biden will win by a much larger margin. I suspect he will lose the nomination and then as punishment to the republicans for not nominating him he will run as third party. He does't give a shit about Republicans, America, or shitheads like you. Then he will blame Republicans when he loses and dumfucks like you will believe him.

 

[Port Tack]

So credible witnesses, bank records and FBI reports aren't evidence now? But six years of hearsay, innuendo and lying about Trump are? You're really too stupid for words. Perhaps why you would vote for someone as criminal and stupid as Biden.

who are the credible witnesses? What bank records or FBI reports are evidence of any wrongdoing? Got a credible link?

 

[Port Tack]

There was no crime moron. Pretty hard to put someone on the stand to testify about a NON-CRIME. You cannot criminalize free speech, unless of course you are a dishonest Democrat hack bent on interfering with the next election.

The indictment completely ruled out Trump using free speech as a defense in court. He isn't being charged for ANYTHING he said, only for what he has done.

 

[Port Tack]

Do you ever get tired of looking stupid and being wrong?

We will see. Just like your asinine claims he would win the 2020 election, you were wrong there too.

 

[Port Tack]

TDS is a severe mental disease that causes those afflicted with it to lie and look like morons. You should get that treated.

You have a serious case of it. Anyone thinking Trump is innocent after nearly 100 felony charges is severly infected with it.

 

[Port Tack]

There is no such thing as a 'false elector'. Buzzword fallacy. Pence VIOLATED his constitutional duty by choosing electors for States (he has no authority to do that!).
It is not a crime to urge election officials to 'find the missing votes' or to do their job. They did NOT do their job AND violated the Constitution and their own State constitutions.
Trump didn't lose. The 2020 election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats. I have already presented evidence to you. Argument of the Stone fallacy.
He lost very few court cases. Many of the cases were thrown out and not even heard, since the courts realized they have no authority to choose electors either. No evidence is presented in a court case that is not tried.
January 6 riots were organized by the Democrats, particularly Nancy Pelosi, using violent factions funded and supported by Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

Now yet another baseless indictment that doesn't even list a specific crime, filed by an idiot of a prosecutor that's just trying to see what sticks to the wall now.

Text Drivers are Killers is exactly right on the money. You are AGAIN ignoring the Constitution, including several State constitutions, and just echoing the Democrat lies.

Trump did not fuck up the elections. DEMOCRATS DID AND THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO DO SO.

Make no mistake. Civil war is coming. Democrats are starting it.

If Jan 6th was organized by democrats why would trump call them patriots and say he would pardon them if elected? Same thing with half the other republican candidates?

Civil war my ass, his pussies are all trumped out. Let's see the crowds at tonights arraignment in DC, I bet it will be practically nobody.

 

[Port Tack]

Recognition that you are a Trump Dick Sucker is the first step to recovery.

There is your TDS sufferer, not the ones who want Trump to face his crimes.

 

[Port Tack]

Pense is coming out much more forcefully that trump is not fit because of his stolen election claims

He still can't use his name the worthless shithead. MAGA morons hate the fucker and anyone from the left despises him nearly as much. What makes him think he has any chance in an election is a real mystery.

 

[Port Tack]

When did Trump do all that? You're too dishonest and dumb to comprehend how stupid you look making such arguments.



When did Trump forge them? Oh, that's right, they weren't forged. There is no such thing as a "fake elector", unless you're a dumb uneducated Biden voter getting your news from MSNBC.

Again, if you read the indictment, which you obviously have not, the charges are an attack on the first amendment rights of ALL Americans including Trump. It PRESUMES there is a crime if a politician does not accept the outcome of an election, regardless of obvious inconsistencies. I guess we will have to indict Pelosi, Adam Schiff and Hillary Clinton next.

Unfortunately, Biden voters and dishonest hacks on the left think anything goes when it comes to Trump. But that is not how the law, or our Constitution works. You should read it sometime. You'd sound less ignorant and stupid.

You did not read the indictment. It was worded such that "free speech" is a non-issue. Trump isn't being charged with anything he said.

 

[Port Tack]

This is another dumb false media meme. They never had a chance to properly challenge the outcome. The same jurists that overturned their states election laws refused to even consider any challenges.

As for the protests, it wasn't an "attack" on the capitol. It wasn't an insurrection. It wasn't sparked by Trumps speech. Claiming it was makes you look dumb and dishonest.

When the vote tally is higher than the number of registered voters, it causes one with a scintilla of intelligence to question the results.

When more voters (154.6 million) turned out for the presidential election in 2020 than in 2016 (137.5 million), the largest increase between consecutive presidential elections since the inception of the CPS voting supplement in 1964, it causes one with a scintilla of intelligence to question the results.

When there were 168,300,000 registered voters and total votes cast in the 2020 election was 158,431,190, which suggests that NINETY-FOUR point ONE % of registered voters actually voted, a number unheard of American politics, it causes one with a scintilla of intelligence to question the results.
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/C...mo/p20-585.pdf
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ident-results/

When you have jurists on the bench changing election law in the middle of an election for specious reasons, it causes one with a scintilla of intelligence to question the results.

When at 1:00 a.m. Trump has a million vote lead in PA, then by the end of the week thanks to jurists insisting to keep counting votes violating state laws, it causes one with a scintilla of intelligence to question the results.

When a dumb, senile old dunce who barely campaigned and couldn't fill an auditorium with supporters gets 17 million votes more than the much more popular Obama, it causes one with a scintilla of intelligence to question the results.

When a dumb, lying senile dunce gets 7,059,526 more votes than Trump, after Trump bettered his successful Presidential bid in 2016 by 11,239,147 votes, it causes one with a scintilla of intelligence to question the results.

It happens every election. The rural rednecks vote for trump and they have their votes turned in 5 min after the polls close because they are easily counted so their candidate jumps out to an astounding lead. The urban areas that contain far more voters take longer to count and they are predominantly democrats so by the time they are counted they come back and surpass them. Virginia is a good example, the republican always jumps out into the lead and when they get to counting the votes in Northern VA near DC, the democrat comes back and kicks his ass.

The rest of your claims are simple bullshit and proof of nothing. And both of your links are dead.

 

[Port Tack]

Jonathan Turley is hardly an unnamed internet guy. Alan Dershowitz is hardly an unnamed internet guy. You're too brain dead to comprehend how stupid you look.

what trump court case used "unconstitutional" as evidence and what was the outcome of the case? Since he lost all of his cases was he just too stupid to bring that up as evidence or did the judges simply throw them out saying you are full of shit?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

They were all addressed and answered in the indictment. They were done so by republicans who supported Trump but would simply not lie for him. The right doesn't care, they want to stick their fingers in their ears and go la-la-la-la-la because they actually know trump is a lying criminal, they simply refuse to believe it.

1. The lie that fraud changed the outcome of the 2020 election, that Trump “had actually won,” and that the election was “stolen.” (Pages 1 and 40-41 of the indictment)

Trump’s claim of a stolen election whose winner was determined by massive fraud was (and continues to be) his overarching lie about the election. The indictment asserts that Trump knew as early as 2020 that his narrative was false – and had been told as such by numerous senior officials in his administration and allies outside the federal government – but persisted in deploying it anyway, including on January 6 itself.

2. The lie that fake pro-Trump Electoral College electors in seven states were legitimate electors. (Pages 5 and 26)

The indictment alleges that Trump and his alleged co-conspirators “organized” the phony slates of electors and then “caused” the slates to be transmitted to Vice President Mike Pence and other government officials to try to get them counted on January 6, the day Congress met to count the electoral votes.

3. The lie that the Justice Department had identified significant concerns that may have affected the outcome of the election. (Pages 6 and 27)

Attorney General William Barr and other top Justice Department officials had told Trump that his claims of major fraud had proved to be untrue. But the indictment alleges that Trump still sought to have the Justice Department “make knowingly false claims of election fraud to officials in the targeted states through a formal letter under the Acting Attorney General’s signature, thus giving the Defendant’s lies the backing of the federal government and attempting to improperly influence the targeted states to replace legitimate Biden electors with the Defendant’s.”

4. The lie that Pence had the power to reject Biden’s electoral votes. (Pages 6, 32-38)

Pence had repeatedly and correctly told Trump that he did not have the constitutional or legal right to send electoral votes back to the states as Trump wanted. The indictment notes that Trump nonetheless repeatedly declared that Pence could do so – first in private conversations and White House meetings, then in tweets on January 5 and January 6, then in Trump’s January 6 speech in Washington at a rally before the riot – in which Trump, angry at Pence, allegedly inserted the false claim into his prepared text even after advisors had managed to temporarily get it removed.

5. The lie that “the Vice President and I are in total agreement that the Vice President has the power to act.” (Page 36)

The indictment alleges that the day before the riot, Trump “approved and caused” his campaign to issue a false statement saying Pence agreed with him about having the power to reject electoral votes – even though Trump knew, from a one-on-one meeting with Pence hours prior, that Pence continued to firmly disagree.

6. The lie that Georgia had thousands of ballots cast in the names of dead people. (Pages 8 and 16)

The indictment notes that Georgia’s top elections official – Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger – a republican – explained to Trump in a phone call on January 2, 2021 that this claim was false, but that Trump repeated it in his January 6 rally speech anyway. Raffensperger said in the phone call and then in a January 6 letter to Congress that just two potential dead-voter cases had been discovered in the state; Raffensperger said in late 2021 that the total had been updated and stood at four.

7. The lie that Pennsylvania had 205,000 more votes than voters. (Pages 8 and 20)

The indictment notes that Trump’s acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and acting deputy attorney general Richard Donoghue had both told him that this claim was false, but he kept making it anyway – including in the January 6 rally speech.

8. The lie that there had been a suspicious “dump” of votes in Detroit, Michigan. (Pages 9 and 17)

The indictment notes that Barr, the attorney general, told Trump on December 1, 2020 that this was false – as CNN and others had noted, supposedly nefarious “dumps” Trump kept talking about were merely ballots being counted and added to the public totals as normal – but that Trump still repeated the false claim in public remarks the next day. And Barr wasn’t the only one to try to dissuade Trump from this claim. The indictment also notes that Michigan’s Republican Senate majority leader, Mike Shirkey, had told Trump in an Oval Office meeting on November 20, 2020 that Trump had lost the state “not because of fraud” but because Trump had “underperformed with certain voter populations.”

9. The lie that Nevada had tens of thousands of double votes and other fraud. (Page 9)

The indictment notes that Nevada’s top elections official – Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske, also a Republican – had publicly posted a “Facts vs. Myths” document explaining that Nevada judges had rejected such claims.

10. The lie that more than 30,000 non-citizens had voted in Arizona. (Pages 9 and 11)

The indictment notes that Trump put the number at “over 36,000” in his January 6 speech – even though, the indictment says, his own campaign manager “had explained to him that such claims were false” and Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers, a Republican who had supported Trump in the election, “had issued a public statement that there was no evidence of substantial fraud in Arizona.”

11. The lie that voting machines in swing states had switched votes from Trump to Biden. (Page 9)

This is a reference to false conspiracy theories about Dominion Voting Systems machines, which Trump kept repeating long after it was thoroughly debunked by his own administration’s election cybersecurity security arm and many others. The indictment says, “The Defendant’s Attorney General, Acting Attorney General, and Acting Deputy Attorney General all had explained to him that this was false, and numerous recounts and audits had confirmed the accuracy of voting machines.”

12. The lie that Dominion machines had been involved in “massive election fraud.” (Page 12)

The indictment notes that Trump, on Twitter, promoted a lawsuit filed by an alleged co-conspirator, whom CNN has identified as lawyer Sidney Powell, that alleged “massive election fraud” involving Dominion – even though, the indictment says, Trump privately acknowledged to advisors that the claims were “unsupported” and told them Powell sounded “crazy.”

13. The lie that “a substantial number of non-citizens, non-residents, and dead people had voted fraudulently in Arizona.” (Page 10)

The indictment alleges that Trump and an alleged co-conspirator, whom CNN has identified as former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, made these baseless claims on a November 22, 2020 phone call with Bowers; the indictment says Giuliani never provided evidence and eventually said, at a December 1, 2020 meeting with Bowers, “words to the effect of, ‘We don’t have the evidence, but we have lots of theories.”

14. The lie that Fulton County, Georgia elections workers had engaged in “ballot stuffing.” (Pages 13 and 14)

This is the long-debunked lie – which Trump has continued to repeat in 2023 – that a video had caught two elections workers in Atlanta breaking the law. The workers were simply doing their jobs, and, as the indictment notes, they were cleared of wrongdoing by state officials in 2020 – but Trump continued to make the claims even after Raffensperger and Justice Department officials directly and repeatedly told him they were unfounded.

15. The lie that thousands of out-of-state voters cast ballots in Georgia. (Page 16)

The indictment notes that Trump made this claim on his infamous January 2, 2021 call with Raffensperger, whose staff responded that the claim was inaccurate. An official in Raffensberger’s office explained to Trump that the voters in question had authentically moved back to Georgia and legitimately cast ballots.

16. The lie that Raffensperger “was unwilling, or unable,” to address Trump’s claims about a “‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more.” (Page 16)

In fact, contrary to this Trump tweet the day after the call, Raffensperger and his staff had addressed and debunked all of these false Trump claims.

17. The lie that there was substantial fraud in Wisconsin and that the state had tens of thousands of unlawful votes. (Page 21)

False and false. But the indictment notes that Trump made the vague fraud claim in a tweet on December 21, 2020, after the state Supreme Court upheld Biden’s win, and repeated the more specific claim about tens of thousands of unlawful votes in the January 6 speech.

18. The lie that Wisconsin had more votes counted than it had actual voters. (Page 21)

This, like Trump’s similar claim about Pennsylvania, is not true. But the indictment alleges that Trump raised the claim in a December 27, 2020 conversation with acting attorney general Rosen and acting deputy attorney general Donoghue, who informed him that it was false.

19. The lie that the election was “corrupt.” (Page 28)

The indictment alleges that when acting attorney general Rosen told Trump on the December 27, 2020 call that the Justice Department couldn’t and wouldn’t change the outcome of the election, Trump responded, “Just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.” (Deputy attorney general Donoghue memorialized the reported Trump remark in his handwritten notes, which CNN reported on in 2021 and which were subsequently published by the House committee that investigated the Capitol riot.)

20. The lie that Trump won every state by hundreds of thousands of votes. (Page 34)

The indictment says that, at a January 4, 2021 meeting intended to convince Pence to unlawfully reject Biden’s electoral votes and send them back to swing-state legislatures, Pence took notes describing Trump as saying, “Bottom line-won every state by 100,000s of votes.” This was, obviously, false even if Trump was specifically talking about swing states won by Biden rather than every state in the nation.

21. The lie that Pennsylvania “want to recertify.” (Page 38)

Trump made this false claim in his January 6 speech. In reality, some Republican state legislators in Pennsylvania had expressed a desire to at least delay the congressional affirmation of Biden’s victory – but the state’s Democratic governor and top elections official, who actually had election certification power in the state, had no desire to recertify Biden’s legitimate win.

the truth that the election was conducted unconstitutionally in several states......two of which were confirmed to have violated the constitution by their supreme courts......

 

[Port Tack]

Biden is not only being fairly treated, he is being protected by the DOJ and the media. Fascinating how the obvious escapes you constantly.



Trump has NEVER been convicted of anything. He is probably the most investigated President in history. Yet still no convictions and a bunch of amateurish indictments intended merely to dupe gullible dimwits who still believe the media is newsworthy and honest and that BIG Government is awesome.

What Republicans have convicted or indicted Trump? NONE.



Another moronic claim lacking a coherent argument.



Translation; blah blah blah. I wish you had a brain. Really, I do. But you voted for Biden. Obvious evidence of a lack of intelligence.

trump was found guilty of raping that woman in a dressing room. Maybe it was a civil court but if he was not guilty why does he have to pay her millions of dollars? Or should I say the dumbfucks who send him money has to pay her.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

you have no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden. None whatsoever.

nothing at all wrong with receiving $5M from a foreign businessman while VP........nope, nothing to see here.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You did not read the indictment. It was worded such that "free speech" is a non-issue. Trump isn't being charged with anything he said.

and yet, it is premised in every sense to claim...."he said it, but he knew it was a lie".......sounds like "he said" to me......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

trump was found guilty of raping that woman in a dressing room. Maybe it was a civil court but if he was not guilty why does he have to pay her millions of dollars? Or should I say the dumbfucks who send him money has to pay her.

it was a civil court because it was a civil case and has a different burden of proof.....that's why its an outright lie to say he was "found guilty of rape".......you understand "lie" right?.....it's that thing you say is the reason Trump should not be president........it may also be the the answer to your question of "why does he have to pay her millions of dollars?"........

 

[PostmodernProphet]

There is your excuse for when he is found guilty.

do you think Smith even cares if he is found guilty?......do you think the case will be dropped the day after the election, whether he wins or loses?.....shucks, will it continue if Trump loses the nomination......I 100% doubt it......