PostmodernProphet
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to be fair, he only lost by 45,000 votes in three states.......all three of which had unconstitutional elections......amazing coincidence, right?......
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to be fair, he only lost by 45,000 votes in three states.......all three of which had unconstitutional elections......amazing coincidence, right?......
PostmodernProphet
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unfortunately for you, you have to prove it was organized at all........I don't expect that to happen......
Port Tack
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Not only is that bullshit, it changes nothing.
With the newest indictment against Trump, the adage, familiar to all lawyers, seems especially applicable to the former president and his Republican allies in Congress: If the facts are not on your side, argue the law. If the law is not on your side, argue the facts. When neither the law nor the facts are on your side, pound the table. Trump’s legal troubles have produced a lot of table-pounding, none of which will erase the expanding charges and evidence of his criminal misconduct.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I will concede that as long as people who despise the constitution control the government it will not change......however, it is NOT bullshit......it is your goal.....in states that are controlled (because of the 2022 election) by demmycrats, the legislature has passed laws specifically guaranteeing that unsupervised drop boxes and ballot harvesting shall be used in all elections, the same type of voting fraud is enshrined forever.....Michigan is doomed to be the next CA and NY.......thank goodness GA and AZ blocked them......
Port Tack
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How is that illegal even if it did happen which it did not? Trump has recieved millions from "foreign businessmen", I suppose it's only a crime if Biden did it? You have a credible link to this 5 million?
The republicans have said that they are not suggesting ANY ILLEGALITY about payments recieved by Hunter from foreign sources and that there is NO EVIDENCE THAT JOE BIDEN RECIEVED ANY OF THESE PAYMENTS.
So, what $5M are you talking about? You are fucking lying again. There is no evidence that Joe Biden ever recieved a fucking dime from any of these foreign sources.... nope, nothing to see here.
Port Tack
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He acknowledeged that he lost to many other republicans close to him that have testified that he knew he lost. Lying that he won is a first amendment right, organizing a scheme to steal the presidency is not. He is not being charged with lying.
Port Tack
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He was found guilty of raping the woman in the dressing room or he would not now owe her millions. You call it whatever the fuck you want to.
Port Tack
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There are how many now sitting in prison for seditious conspiracy? It was proven without question.
Port Tack
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Even if some state does not like it, it changes nothing. Nothing was illegal and it certainly would not mean Trump won anyway.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Agreed. They literally worship Pedo Don as the Great White Hope, as a messiah.
Defending a megalomaniacal demagogue is anti-American. Since the vast majority of JPP's Pedo Don fans are elderly, demented, brain-damaged and/or otherwise mentally capacitated, I seek no harm for them. No arrest.
Just put nanny software on their computers so they can spend the rest of their lives playing solitaire and watching Barney videos.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Slick Willie deserved to be impeached and was guilty of perjury. The Benghazi bullshit against Hillary was just that, bullshit. It was a blackop from the WH. Hillary was clueless about it. Deleting evidence of a crime is obstruction of justice. Hillary didn't even get a wrist slap. Now we have Trump who did her one better and the Republicans want to let Trump get the same hall pass that Hillary recieved.
IMOl, our nation does ourselves an injustice when we let politicians skate out of accountability for their crimes because it sets a precedence for others to follow suit.
I'll take my groan from Phan now since I didn't kiss Hilary's ass. LOL
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Yes, it does. That being said, apparently the DOJ didn't feel that whatever you think Ms. Clinton did was worth pursuing, nor did they go after Biden or Pence for mishandling sensitive documents.
Trump's crimes, on the other hand, are orders of magnitude worse.
Perjury has to be a lie about an underlying crime.
Since whatever happened between Clinton and Paula Jones was not a crime under existing law, the DOJ and the independent counsel could not recommend a criminal charge for perjury.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
"the DOJ" meaning Loretta and Barack after the infamous tarmac meeting. They were looking at the 2016 election with the Republican front runner being a white supremacist dumbass, not justice.
Yes, Trump's crimes were worse. IMO, his crimes are treasonous.
And they can't decide which lie they want to believe. Some are complaining the Jan6 rioters are being held without bail and punished too harshly while others are claiming the rioters were not even Trump supporters but Democrats who organized and funded the riot. They want to believe somebody is picking on them--they are "victims."
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
The President of the United States lied in a deposition to cover up his habitual adulterous behavior. The crime wasn't a blowjob or adultery. The crime was lying under oath.
Notice that it's often the cover-up that is the crime, not the act itself. Nixon's crime wasn't Watergate, it was covering up Watergate executed by his CREEP group. Hillary's crime wasn't passing classified material via her private server; it was obstruction of justice by deleting the emails.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/clinton-testifies-before-grand-jury
DOJ can only prosecute crimes.
Being a cretin, crudely hitting on women, and cheating on wives are not crimes under current law.
I don't think the Paula Jones case was even a criminal case, it was a civil case.
There's no question Clinton gave misleading testimony, and he lost his law license over it because that was considered unethical for a member in good standing with the bar association
Dutch Uncle
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Perjury is a crime. It doesn't matter what the lie is about.
BTW, called it with Phan. LOL
QP!
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The reason why Trump talks about 'Perjury Traps' and why the Independent Counsel rules have been changed and tightened was because of how badly Ken Starr and Brett Kavanaugh abused the Independent Counsel (special Counsel) power when they went after Clinton for the blow job.
They spent 5 years on a mandate to look in to White Water and got frustrated at the nothing burger. It was reported that it as Brett Kavanaugh who thought, that with all CLintons reported affairs, they could maybe lead in to lying about those and catch him that way.
What Trump calls a 'Perjury Trap' which is asking him legit question under oath about his crimes, that he will lie to IS NOT a perjury trap. A perjury trap is when there is no crime but you suspect the person will lie in talking about it, and thus then create a crime. We all know the act of cheating on your spouse is a lie, and thus almost everyone engaging in it will lie about it, if they think they will get away with it. Thus the perfect perjury trap.
Imagine regardless of the topic someone is called in to testify to congress about, if for Partisan reasons one side or the other just randomly asked the person testifying 'have you cheated on your spouse' when it had nothing to do with the proceeding. Lie and you commit a crime in lying to Congress.
That is a perjury trap.
So while Clinton should not have perjured himself, Ken Starr and Kavanaugh should have never went there in the first place. And Special Counsel rules were specifically re-written after to stop such abuses.