Trump knew exactly what was going on

Phantasmal said:
No, they don’t do impeachment hearings, but they do investigations which are presented to Congress to aide in their impeachment proceedings to determine if evidence warrants impeachment articles. The FBI is part of the DoJ.
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you can hardly expect a department under the executive branch to investigate their commander in chief....................and if you do, you don't know enough about the constitutional checks and balances
 
floridafan said:
This DOJ doesn't do any investigations, unless told to do so by Trump. They are no longer the lawyers for the American people, but simply Trumps lawyers.
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the DoJ has NEVER been for the people. that's what you keep getting wrong...........oh, wait. forgot I was talking to someone with total faith in our government and it's agencies..........unless it's a republican
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I think this is the part where you acknowledge the argument about PROCESS!!!!!!! As in 'had the democrats followed the PROCESS, then they'd have had a much better case for impeachment'...............see how that works?
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Exactly-fucking-lutely.

Basically the liberals are crying about not doing what they should have possibly done and now they want a reset (do over).
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the DoJ has NEVER been for the people. that's what you keep getting wrong...........oh, wait. forgot I was talking to someone with total faith in our government and it's agencies..........unless it's a republican
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The department of Justice is supposed to represent the American people, not the President. When did that go wrong?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you can hardly expect a department under the executive branch to investigate their commander in chief....................and if you do, you don't know enough about the constitutional checks and balances
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Partially true, but the Dept of Justice is not suppose to act as the President's personal attorney, which is what Barr has been doing since he was appointed
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you can hardly expect a department under the executive branch to investigate their commander in chief....................and if you do, you don't know enough about the constitutional checks and balances
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Quit sounding simple. The FBI did investigate the Trump campaign, and, yes, they are and have been investigating Trump.
 
floridafan said:
Lev Parnas, the associate of Rudy Giuliani who has been indicted for campaign finance crimes, called out President Donald Trump directly in a new interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.

The interview, which will air in full Wednesday night, came out the same week in which House investigators released several new troves of evidence — including texts, letters, and hand-written notes — that give a much more detailed look into the background dealings of Trump’s Ukraine scheme than we’ve seen before. Some of those texts indicate that Parnas was texting with someone who surveilled the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. There’s even some indication, though it’s not clear how serious it was, that they may have been considering threats to her security or life. Trump eventually fired the ambassador, a goal Parnas, Rudy Giuliani, and some in Ukraine were seeking.

“What do you think is main inaccuracy, or the main lie, that’s being told that you feel like you can correct?” Maddow asked Parnas, in a clip first aired on Ari Melber’s “The Beat.”

“That the president didn’t know what was going on,” Parnas said. “President Trump knew exactly what was going on. He was aware of all of my movements. I wouldn’t do anything without the consent of Rudy Giuliani or the president.
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And? The president of the United States has a DUTY to find and deal with corruption. There was and still remains an agreement between Ukraine and the Untied States of America to deal with corruption.

That's the problem with "propaganda"......it cannot be validated by facts in evidence. Our president committed no crimes in requesting a joint cooperation under the terms of the 1998 agreement...i.e., the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters treaty.

The only material witness with first hand knowledge in the congressional soviet style impeachment (Sondland)....stated under oath what President Trump told him in personal when the witness asked our President what he wanted from Ukraine......Trump replied, nothing, I want nothing, no quid pro quo.....all I want is for Ukraine to do the right thing. (that right thing? live up to the 1998 treaty).


I am sure that Rudy will be more than willing to take the stand and engage in a document dump of his own. :bigthink:

There is nothing "unusual" nor illegal with President Trump sending RUDY Giuliani to Ukraine......as long as Rudy did it on at the direction of President Trump. The President of the United States has the constitutional authority to direct all matters of foreign policy.

Are there no history majors on this board? Did history not enlighten us how King Roosevelt (FDR) used Wendel Willkie just like Trump is using RUDY? FDR sent Willkie (a republican presidential candidate, 1940) 2 times to Europe as an informal envoy. The problem with the lefts attempt to rescind the 2016 election results? Hate cannot be prosecuted void of actual evidence. The only hard evidence of anyone engaging in Corruption in Ukraine is the documented evidence that is held by RUDY and JOE Biden's act of being caught with his hand in the foreign aid cookie jar....demanding that the leaders of a sovereign foreign nation do as demanded...or they lose TAX PAYER AID

www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text
 
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Ralph said:
And? The president of the United States has a DUTY to find and deal with corruption. There was and still remains an agreement between Ukraine and the Untied States of America to deal with corruption.

That's the problem with "propaganda"......it cannot be validated by facts in evidence. Our president committed no crimes in requesting a joint cooperation under the terms of the 1998 agreement...i.e., the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters. I am sure that Rudy will be more than willing to take the stand and engage in a document dump of his own. :bigthink:

There is nothing "unusual" nor illegal with President Trump sending RUDY Giuliani to Ukraine......as long as Rudy did it on at the direction of President Trump. The President of the United States has the constitutional authority to direct all matters of foreign policy.

Are there no history majors on this board? Did history not enlighten us how King Roosevelt (FDR) used Wendel Willkie just like Trump is using RUDY? FDR sent Willkie (a republican presidential candidate, 1940) 2 times to Europe as an informal envoy. The problem with the lefts attempt to rescind the 2016 election results? Hate cannot prosecuted void of actual evidence.

www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text
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You must be on fucking drugs.
 
Ralph said:
And? The president of the United States has a DUTY to find and deal with corruption. There was and still remains an agreement between Ukraine and the Untied States of America to deal with corruption.

That's the problem with "propaganda"......it cannot be validated by facts in evidence. Our president committed no crimes in requesting a joint cooperation under the terms of the 1998 agreement...i.e., the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters. I am sure that Rudy will be more than willing to take the stand and engage in a document dump of his own. :bigthink:

There is nothing "unusual" nor illegal with President Trump sending RUDY Giuliani to Ukraine......as long as Rudy did it on at the direction of President Trump. The President of the United States as the constitutional authority to direct all matters of foreign policy.

Are there no history majors on this board. Did history not enlighten us how King Roosevelt (FDR) used Wendel Willkie just like Trump is using RUDY? FDR sent Willkie (a republican presidential candidate, 1940) 2 times to Europe as an informal envoy.

www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text
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If the President's duty is to find and pursue corruption, which in itself is a questionable comment, why didn't Trump have his own Attorney General pursue and investigate, why go to a foreign entity, is it common for a President to single out and ask another country to investigate an American citizen, let alone one who just happens to be a political rival? Don't think so

And what was Rudy's official capacity in the Ukraine? FDR didn't employ Willkie as an investigator nor was Willkie's mission covert.

The President doesn't have complete control over foreign policy, for example, he can not declare war nor can he ratify treaties, and to think that Trump can call any shot he wants here is wrong as we found out today with the GAO report
 
Ralph said:
And? The president of the United States has a DUTY to find and deal with corruption. There was and still remains an agreement between Ukraine and the Untied States of America to deal with corruption.

That's the problem with "propaganda"......it cannot be validated by facts in evidence. Our president committed no crimes in requesting a joint cooperation under the terms of the 1998 agreement...i.e., the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters treaty.

The only material witness with first hand knowledge in the congressional soviet style impeachment (Sondland)....stated under oath what President Trump told him in personal when the witness asked our President what he wanted from Ukraine......Trump replied, nothing, I want nothing, no quid pro quo.....all I want is for Ukraine to do the right thing. (that right thing? live up to the 1998 treaty).


I am sure that Rudy will be more than willing to take the stand and engage in a document dump of his own. :bigthink:

There is nothing "unusual" nor illegal with President Trump sending RUDY Giuliani to Ukraine......as long as Rudy did it on at the direction of President Trump. The President of the United States has the constitutional authority to direct all matters of foreign policy.

Are there no history majors on this board? Did history not enlighten us how King Roosevelt (FDR) used Wendel Willkie just like Trump is using RUDY? FDR sent Willkie (a republican presidential candidate, 1940) 2 times to Europe as an informal envoy. The problem with the lefts attempt to rescind the 2016 election results? Hate cannot be prosecuted void of actual evidence. The only hard evidence of anyone engaging in Corruption in Ukraine is the documented evidence that is held by RUDY and JOE Biden's act of being caught with his hand in the foreign aid cookie jar....demanding that the leaders of a sovereign foreign nation do as demanded...or they lose TAX PAYER AID

www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text
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Strangely enough, Yovanovich was respected as a battler of Ukraine's corruption. She was in the way because Rudy and trump had cheating on their minds. Trump was not fighting corruption. Trump the thief in chief, should be laughed at when he says that.
I cannot believe anyone can say Biden was the crook. How addlepated does one have to be to be so easily diverted from the real and obvious problem? Trump's cabal working outside the government were trying to use Zelensky to give him an edge in the 2020 election.l Giulini was not put up for a government job. He got no approval process. he received no votes. He worked under trumps direction and answered to nobody in the government. If you cannot see what is wrong with that, you are not looking.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
ask j. edgar hoover
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We passed a lot of rules controlling the head of the FBI since him, but our problem is the Atty. general, Barr. He is not doing his job as his position description entails. He is supposed to be the people's leader of justice. Barr is plainly Trump's Atty, his Roy Cohn. He is wandering the world looking for evidence to prove Trump is clear or he can force that conclusion. That is not his job.
As horrible as Trump is, will the next AG be a Trumpian, or will he return to being the people's top cop?
 
Nordberg said:
We passed a lot of rules controlling the head of the FBI since him, but our problem is the Atty. general, Barr. He is not doing his job as his position description entails. He is supposed to be the people's leader of justice. Barr is plainly Trump's Atty, his Roy Cohn. He is wandering the world looking for evidence to prove Trump is clear or he can force that conclusion. That is not his job.
As horrible as Trump is, will the next AG be a Trumpian, or will he return to being the people's top cop?
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:popcorn:
 
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