Trump laptop with classified docs is found

[IBDaMann]

Trump intentionally took documents that didn't belong to him and refused to return them and then lied about then. This is not breaking the law???

What you are describing did not happen. Trump took copies of documents for which he was an original classifier. You should probably look up that term.

Trump had every right to have those documents. Why do you believe that he didn't?

 

[floridafan]

What you are describing did not happen. Trump took copies of documents for which he was an original classifier. You should probably look up that term.

Trump had every right to have those documents. Why do you believe that he didn't?

Thats bullshit, why do you think thew FBI was needed to retrieve them. Top secret and classified docs do not leave the WH.

 

[IBDaMann]

Has there even been anything that Trump has taken responsibility for?

There has to be wrongdoing for which responsibility can be taken.

There has been no wrongdoing, just false accusations from dishonest losers who are simply screaming what they have been ordered to regurgitate. This is why there is never any evidence to support any of the accusations.

Nothing is ever his fault,

That's usually the nature of false accusations.

 

[floridafan]

There has to be wrongdoing for which responsibility can be taken.

There has been no wrongdoing, just false accusations from dishonest losers who are simply screaming what they have been ordered to regurgitate. This is why there is never any evidence to support any of the accusations.


That's usually the nature of false accusations.

There are boxes upon boxes of evidence taken from Trumps home, his storage locker and his office. Trump has also admitted stealing them.

 

[IBDaMann]

Thats bullshit,

Everything I wrote is correct. All of your misunderstanding stems from you being a gullible shill.

why do you think thew FBI was needed to retrieve them.

The FBI was not needed, except to harass Trump as the Democrats' attack dog.

Answer the question: To the best of your understanding (which we are about to discover is nonexistent) why do you believe Trump did not have every right to those documents?

Top secret and classified docs do not leave the WH.

Sure they do, all the time, every day. Obviously you understand nothing on this topic. Why are you pretending your commentary is somehow value-added?

 

[IBDaMann]

There are boxes upon boxes of evidence taken from Trumps home,

None of what you call "evidence" is evidence of anything beyond how much one of those boxes can hold.

To the best of your understanding, what law was broken?

Trump has also admitted stealing them.

Nope, but you are certainly gullible enough to believe whatever you are told to believe.

 

[floridafan]

None of what you call "evidence" is evidence of anything beyond how much one of those boxes can hold.

To the best of your understanding, what law was broken?


Nope, but you are certainly gullible enough to believe whatever you are told to believe.

It wasn't just any FBI agent who went to Trump home, but only those with a particular security clearance due to the nature of the documents Trump stole.

As to what laws were broken:

The warrant gave prosecutors the right to seize records containing evidence in violation of three federal laws, 18 USC 793, 2071 and 1519.

While the list of items agents took from Mar-a-Lago notes that many of the documents were classified, those three laws deal with mishandling of federal government records regardless of whether or not they are classified.

Law 793 prevents unauthorised possession of national defense information, without mentioning whether the records are classified or not. It is punishable by up to 10 years in prison for each infraction.

That law was initially passed under the 1917 Espionage Act, which predates the statutory classification system.

The other laws, 2071 and 1519, make it illegal to conceal or destroy official US documents. They are punishable by up to three and 20 years in prison, respectively. Neither law requires the information in question to be classified.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Trump Laptop found- with Hunter Biden's Dic Pics!

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Donald Trump is such an asshole, he would fart in a crowded elevator, and ask, "Alright now! Who cut the cheese"?

Yep. And then he'd fire every one of them, and the elevator guy too.

 

[IBDaMann]

It wasn't just any FBI agent who went to Trump home, but only those with a particular security clearance due to the nature of the documents Trump stole.

Trump didn't steal any documents and the FBI was not needed. All that occurred was that Trump was harassed unnecessarily.

As to what laws were broken: The warrant gave prosecutors the right to seize records containing evidence in violation of three federal laws, 18 USC 793, 2071 and 1519.

... and those laws weren't broken. I asked you what laws were broken, not what was the absurd pretense for the harassment.

But since you brought it up, to the best of your understanding, how were those laws broken?

While the list of items agents took from Mar-a-Lago notes that many of the documents were classified, those three laws deal with mishandling of federal government records regardless of whether or not they are classified.

So, finish that thought. How were they broken, exactly?

Law 793 prevents unauthorised possession of national defense information,

Aaaahhh, you're a Brit. Of course, it all makes sense now.

So, you recognize that authorized possession is still perfectly legal, yes? Any rational adult can be expected to see how this law doesn't come into play.

The other laws, 2071 and 1519, make it illegal to conceal or destroy official US documents.

So you recognize that document storage is still legal, yes? Any rational adult can be expected to see how these laws do not come into play.

 

[IBDaMann]

Yep. And then he'd fire every one of them, and the elevator guy too.

Are you really just a gossipy teenager at the mall badmouthing every girl who is prettier than you?

You're as much an idiot as you are a coward. I pity you.

 

[Nordberg]

What you are describing did not happen. Trump took copies of documents for which he was an original classifier. You should probably look up that term.

Trump had every right to have those documents. Why do you believe that he didn't?

That is a lie. The president cannot click his heels together and declassify. I wondered if anyone would be stupid enough to buy that when Trump said it. I am not surprised it was you. Declassifying is a process. Can you understand that documents are used by many departments and many people? They are part of the process. They have to be told that they are no longer classified so they could act accordingly.
Do you really think the president can simply think every fucking document in the government is now unclassified? What chaos and problems that would cause? Yet that makes sense to you. Wow.
When Trump made that claim, I knew he was trying to find a way out of the theft he committed. I was laughing that he thought someone was stupid enough to think that made sense. You proved I overestimated the Reds.

 

[IBDaMann]

That is a lie. The president cannot click his heels together and declassify.

It's funny you say that ... because that's exactly what a President can do. Like I said, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about yet you insist on the stupidest things. You haven't managed to say anything correct about classified information. And the kicker, when someone who knows so much more than you offers to help, you of all people push back. It's like you take immense pride in being unable to learn. Few things on the internet are more absurd.

Declassifying is a process.

... and you have no idea how that works.

Can you understand that documents are used by many departments and many people?

Yes. I'm an expert on this subject and I'm laughing at you. You are much better than the comedy channel. You are literally immune to learning. Too funny.

They are part of the process.

Nope. Only the classifying authority can declassify classified information. Consumers of classified information can challenge a classification but they have no authority to disclose, to release or to declassify to any other classification level.

They have to be told that they are no longer classified so they could act accordingly.

This is a stupid assertion. You are claiming that documents cannot be declassified until the world has been notified that they have been declassified, which cannot happen until they are declassified, which you insist cannot happen until the world has been notified that they have been declassified, which cannot happen until they are declassified, which you insist cannot happen until the world has been notified that they have been declassified, which cannot happen until they are declassified, which you insist cannot happen until the world has been notified that they have been declassified, which cannot happen until they are declassified, ... do you see the problem here? The correct answer is that the President can declassify any Executive branch documents he wishes, and then the world can be notified.

Do you really think the president can simply think every fucking document in the government is now unclassified?

The President is the Chief Executive. Check the Constitution. The power to declassify any/all Executive branch documents is vested in him.

Yet that makes sense to you. Wow.

It doesn't make sense to you. Wow.

When Trump made that claim, I knew he was trying to find a way out of the theft he committed.

This goes to show just how stupid and gullible you are, not to mention just how poor your judgement is ... and how inept you are at applying any sort of critical reasoning.

Wait, who does your thinking for you anyway? That information would give a good insight into why you say the crap that you say and would help others anticipate erroneous comments.

I was laughing that he thought someone was stupid enough to think that made sense.

Guess who's laughing right now. Go on, take a wild guess.

 

[Phantasmal]

Why do you believe this?

Wait, let me answer that one for you. You mistakenly believe that there was wrongdoing because you have no idea how our classified systems work.

What part of Trump's non-disclosure agreement are you claiming was violated?

Im not the one mistaken, that’s you.

NDA, what the hell does that have to do with Top Secret documents on an aides computer?

 

[Trumpet]

Why do you believe this?

Wait, let me answer that one for you. You mistakenly believe that there was wrongdoing because you have no idea how our classified systems work.

What part of Trump's non-disclosure agreement are you claiming was violated?

Deflect, distract, and distort.

 

[Nordberg]

The president cannot simply declassify or classify at whim. I bet even rightys ,on a good day, can figure out what is wrong with that.https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...ification is,that the protections are removed.
There is a process. Can you imagine just waving it away or attaching classification at will, destroys the entire classification system?
You really, really want to believe, if you do. You have to omit logic, common sense and the law.
..

 

[IBDaMann]

Im not the one mistaken, that’s you.

Well, you're about to clear this issue up in the next line.

NDA, what the hell does that have to do with Top Secret documents on an aides computer?

This is basic to anyone working with classified government information. You don't even know the basics, but at least you admit it. You made a smart choice turning to me with your questions, however you should have done that before you ever posted on this topic.

Nobody is given access to classified information without having first signed an NDA that specifies all the legalities involved in receiving said access ... except for the President. The President doesn't have to sign any NDA. By simply being elected, the President is vested with all Executive power. He is the ultimate authority on all Executive branch documents and there is no such thing as an NDA that is somehow being violated by anything the President does.

Now Hillary, on the other hand, signed an NDA and proceeded to violate it. What she did falls well within the definition of Treason, you can read about it right there in the Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

1. Hillary intentionally exfiltrated the most sensitive of classified information for the express purpose of providing that information to foreign actors in her influence peddling scheme. In one examle, she provided insurgents the information necessary to successfully attack the consulate in Benghazi, while ordering all help/assistance to "stand down" while the attack was in progress so that it would be successful. After all, that is what she was paid for.
2. Hillary confessed in open court (Congress). She simply claimed that she was unaware that the highly sensitive information was classified. Big deal. She brazenly violated her NDA and she intentionally lifted the information off the classified platform.

Trump declassified documents per his Constitutional authority and never provided aid to America's enemies.

Hillary violated her NDA and committed Treason.

 

[IBDaMann]

The president cannot simply declassify or classify at whim.

Yes he can. It's not surprising that you got this so wrong; I can't seem to recall anything that you have gotten correct.

It's right there in the Constitution. The President absolutely can declassify any Executive branch document on a whim.

You would be well advised to consult with me before you post on this topic.

There is a process.

The President determines what that is, by the way.

You really, really want to believe, if you do. You have to omit logic, common sense and the law.

Too funny. You are denying the Constitution. I think we're done on this.

 

[Phantasmal]

Well, you're about to clear this issue up in the next line.


This is basic to anyone working with classified government information. You don't even know the basics, but at least you admit it. You made a smart choice turning to me with your questions, however you should have done that before you ever posted on this topic.

Nobody is given access to classified information without having first signed an NDA that specifies all the legalities involved in receiving said access ... except for the President. The President doesn't have to sign any NDA. By simply being elected, the President is vested with all Executive power. He is the ultimate authority on all Executive branch documents and there is no such thing as an NDA that is somehow being violated by anything the President does.

Now Hillary, on the other hand, signed an NDA and proceeded to violate it. What she did falls well within the definition of Treason, you can read about it right there in the Constitution:



1. Hillary intentionally exfiltrated the most sensitive of classified information for the express purpose of providing that information to foreign actors in her influence peddling scheme. In one examle, she provided insurgents the information necessary to successfully attack the consulate in Benghazi, while ordering all help/assistance to "stand down" while the attack was in progress so that it would be successful. After all, that is what she was paid for.
2. Hillary confessed in open court (Congress). She simply claimed that she was unaware that the highly sensitive information was classified. Big deal. She brazenly violated her NDA and she intentionally lifted the information off the classified platform.

Trump declassified documents per his Constitutional authority and never provided aid to America's enemies.

Hillary violated her NDA and committed Treason.

What a load of road apples, not even worthy of a reply because it’s all fabricated information not based on reality.

You have a nice day.

 

[IBDaMann]

What a load of road apples, not even worthy of a reply because it’s all fabricated information not based on reality.

You have a nice day.

You should see what your life of denial looks like to others. You are what happens when you have other people doing your thinking for you. You become quick to say really stupid things, you lower yourself to the level of a mindless attack dog who hates on command, you are barred from learning when others try to help you, and you back yourself into a world of denial in order to drown out the humiliation of being bent over furniture and reamed on a regular basis.

It must suck to be you.