Trump says the FBI confiscated his passports during the raid at his Mar-A-Lago home

archives said:
First off, you got to be totally gullible or drunk on the Kool Aid to believe anything a pathological liar says

Second, if they believe Trump possessed documents pertinent to national security, files legally he was not suppose to have, and which his staff lied about and tried to hide, confiscating passports was relevant
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how are his passports ever relevant to any issue?
 
Lionfish said:
Thomas Massie, "These are not auditions for the next Police Academy sequel. This is an actual IRS recruiting program:"
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The IRS was edited in, so that calls the whole claim into question. Most IRS agents do not get gun training. And obviously, the idea of recruiting before the funding has come in is just nonsense. The bill just passed, so the funding is not there.

This was posted by someone with no understanding of budgets and funding. LionFish is understandable, but Massie is a Congressman, and should understand these things.
 
Walt said:
The IRS was edited in, so that calls the whole claim into question. Most IRS agents do not get gun training. And obviously, the idea of recruiting before the funding has come in is just nonsense. The bill just passed, so the funding is not there.

This was posted by someone with no understanding of budgets and funding. LionFish is understandable, but Massie is a Congressman, and should understand these things.
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you have no clue what you're talking about.
 
Celticguy said:
it wasnt demanded, read the warrant.
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There is no need for a warrant in the case of passports, because it already belongs to the US Government. The FBI agents did not need a warrant to drive the US Government cars back to the office after the search. The cars belong to the US Government, and can be driven by agents of the government where ever the government wants them to be.

There is no need for a subpoena or warrant to get passports. There is just the need for a demand. A demand is made by any officer of the US Government, including an FBI agent.
 
AssHatZombie said:
you have no clue what you're talking about.
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The IRA was just signed into law, and funding starts at the beginning of the fiscal year, October 1st. Then they start working out how to hire IRS agents, which is a process that takes months. Massie claims to already have photos of them being trained in August?

How are these trainees being paid? Think about it for a second. Would you show up to work, under the promise that in a few months, they will start paying you?
 
Walt said:
There is no need for a warrant in the case of passports, because it already belongs to the US Government. The FBI agents did not need a warrant to drive the US Government cars back to the office after the search. The cars belong to the US Government, and can be driven by agents of the government where ever the government wants them to be.

There is no need for a subpoena or warrant to get passports. There is just the need for a demand. A demand is made by any officer of the US Government, including an FBI agent.
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They need a warrant to enter the home where their property is however. They can't do whatever the hell they please because it's their property. The home and land it sits on isn't theirs. I know you wish the government could do whatever the fuck it pleases but man Americans still don't.
 
Walt said:
The IRA was just signed into law, and funding starts at the beginning of the fiscal year, October 1st. Then they start working out how to hire IRS agents, which is a process that takes months. Massie claims to already have photos of them being trained in August?

How are these trainees being paid? Think about it for a second. Would you show up to work, under the promise that in a few months, they will start paying you?
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sounds like you cracked the case, Matlock. now you can make the early bird special.
 
Yakuda said:
They need a warrant to enter the home where their property is however. They can't do whatever the hell they please because it's their property.
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And they had that warrant. They were allowed to go through the paperwork, and figure out what was allowed to be removed. The passport is allowed to be removed by any government officer, who comes into contact with it.
 
Walt said:
And they had that warrant. They were allowed to go through the paperwork, and figure out what was allowed to be removed. The passport is allowed to be removed by any government officer, who comes into contact with it.
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And when trump walks away from this you'll be left sucking your thumb.
 
Yakuda said:
And when trump walks away from this you'll be left sucking your thumb.
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The passports will not effect this case in any way. trump might get away with his crimes, plenty of criminals have, but not based on his ownership of passports. he does not own the passports.
 
Walt said:
There is no need for a warrant in the case of passports, because it already belongs to the US Government. The FBI agents did not need a warrant to drive the US Government cars back to the office after the search. The cars belong to the US Government, and can be driven by agents of the government where ever the government wants them to be.

There is no need for a subpoena or warrant to get passports. There is just the need for a demand. A demand is made by any officer of the US Government, including an FBI agent.
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but as you originally pointed out, it has to be asked for.
that didnt happen.
they stole it.
and, as they admitted it was a mistake and they gave them back.
 
Celticguy said:
they stole it.
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The US Government cannot steal a US passport. It belongs to the US Government, so only non-US Government agents can steal a US passport.

But let's say these are not really US passports, and are the property of trump. I know that is completely counter factual, but there is a point to be made here. In fact, let's say it is a bag of cocaine.

If during a search of documents, the FBI came across a bag of white powder, suspected of being cocaine. It would probably be wisest to secure the scene, and get a second warrant to seize the bag of powder. It would be an easy warrant to get, because it probably is cocaine. If they did not get a warrant, then trump's lawyers could have argued they did not have probable cause to believe it was cocaine, and therefore have it thrown out as evidence. The prosecution would argue they did have probable cause, and it was in plain sight upon execution of the search warrant.

In the end, MAYBE the cocaine would be thrown out as evidence. None of the rest of the evidence would be thrown out. And the cocaine would not be returned to trump, because it is contraband. MAYBE it would be admissible as evidence.
 
Walt said:
There is no need for a warrant in the case of passports, because it already belongs to the US Government. The FBI agents did not need a warrant to drive the US Government cars back to the office after the search. The cars belong to the US Government, and can be driven by agents of the government where ever the government wants them to be.

There is no need for a subpoena or warrant to get passports. There is just the need for a demand. A demand is made by any officer of the US Government, including an FBI agent.
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wtf are you talking about?

you're an insane totalitarian.
 
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