Trump's attorneys unable to locate sensitive military document he discussed on tape

Damocles said:
Says a person who cannot see that they support a demented basement dweller who collected classified documents at his house like they were his personal library and only gave them back when Trump was caught with some and he thought it would make him "look good" to "voluntarily discover" some illegally gathered classified documents.

Both of the past two Presidents have been horrible choices, and can't seem to stop themselves from collecting information that they should not have. While I agree that Trump is a stumbling child king, I see with my own eyes the utter lunatic professional-level hypocrisy of folks who defend the current dementia patient in chief.

It isn't even that "Biden did it too" so much as "Biden did it for decades and collected far more material that he never gave up until decades later"...

When it comes to classified documents, neither of these men have a moral high ground and pretending that you are "shocked" over one when supporting the other is just hypocrisy. If you care about the one, you should not forgive the other.
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So now you liked Obama?
 
Damo


You defending Trump is utter stupidity


Trump will be charged


Biden will not


For the same reason you didn’t get to “lock her up” for all the idiot crap you believed about Hilary


Your brain cells have rotted
 
Damocles said:
Dude, keeping documents in your house for decades is a way more egregious violation of the law than having them in a locked basement room. Seriously, it really is.

I can imagine a President working on some documents in their house. Had that been the case with Brandon I would agree with you, but this was not that. The guy threw some documents on a shelf in his garage next to his Corvette, had them all over his house for decades. Pretending he "gave them up voluntarily" after illegally collecting them for more than 3 decades in his home is laughable.

He thought he'd show how he was "better", then suddenly we found out that he'd been illegally collecting documents that had no legal means of getting there in his house for decades. Senators are NOT allowed to take the documents from the SCIF, nor to take notes or any electronic means of copying them with them into the SCIF.

These documents had no means of even getting there without him first breaking the frickin' law.
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If you must lie, try to make it credible. It's a fact that Trump had highly sensitive documents, sitting on his office desk that could be viewed by anyone. It's a fact that few if any were locked up. It's also a fact that he refused to return them, that he lied about them and most likely showed them around to friends and foe.
Had he done the right thing, and returned all of them immediately as so many others have done, this would have been forgotten about long ago. Its obvious that you will say and do anything to protect him, fortunately the DOJ and FBI dont give a fuck what you think.
 
Damocles said:
She responded to emails containing them and asked for them. The report indicated that even SCI that was marked as such was stored on the server and that it was certain that the server had been hacked. The handling of Classified information by HillBillary was way worse than some being in Trump's basement, pretty much anyone with more than rudimentary computer knowledge who knew about the server had access to it due to the lax security on it.

Keeping SCI in any form, whether received or sent, and discussing it in any place other than a SCIF or encrypted to be secure for such communication is illegal. I would be in prison still (well, maybe I might be on parole by now) had I done even a portion of what she did with this email server of hers.

While Comey pretended nobody would be prosecuted for this kind of thing, there are real people in prison today for mishandling SCI material at a much less egregious level than keeping the material on an unsecured email server in Funk and Wagnell's basement bathroom closet.
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So you are saying Trump clearly broke the law?
 
floridafan said:
If you must lie, try to make it credible. It's a fact that Trump had highly sensitive documents, sitting on his office desk that could be viewed by anyone. It's a fact that few if any were locked up. It's also a fact that he refused to return them, that he lied about them and most likely showed them around to friends and foe.
Had he done the right thing, and returned all of them immediately as so many others have done, this would have been forgotten about long ago. Its obvious that you will say and do anything to protect him, fortunately the DOJ and FBI dont give a fuck what you think.
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I am not lying, it was what was found in Brandon's house. If you must lie, stop lying to yourself.

I did not forgive Trump for his documents, you just pretend I did. I simply pointed out that it is far worse to illegally bring documents to your home to randomly scatter them about for decades. He broke the law so many more times than Trump, and in a way that was far worse. Those documents they found from his Senate days had no legal means of getting there, let alone residing in his house for decades until he decided he'd give them back in an attempt to make a political opponent "look bad".

Cooperation decades later is only "cooperation" in the mind of an ideologue.
 
Jarod said:
So you are saying Trump clearly broke the law?
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If this tape exists then I would say yes. Just as I would say it is clear that Brandon broke the law when documents that had no legal means to get into his house were found from days where he did not have access to them other than from the SCIF under the Capital. Even had he not brought them there himself, and there is no reasonable explanation as to how so many got there that doesn't start with him bringing them there, having them there and not returning them was illegal in and of itself.
 
Damocles said:
I am not lying, it was what was found in Brandon's house. If you must lie, stop lying to yourself.

I did not forgive Trump for his documents, you just pretend I did. I simply pointed out that it is far worse to illegally bring documents to your home to randomly scatter them about for decades. He broke the law so many more times than Trump, and in a way that was far worse. Those documents they found from his Senate days had no legal means of getting there, let alone residing in his house for decades until he decided he'd give them back in an attempt to make a political opponent "look bad".

Cooperation decades later is only "cooperation" in the mind of an ideologue.
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FYI Trump is a criminal
 
Damocles said:
I am not lying, it was what was found in Brandon's house. If you must lie, stop lying to yourself.

I did not forgive Trump for his documents, you just pretend I did. I simply pointed out that it is far worse to illegally bring documents to your home to randomly scatter them about for decades. He broke the law so many more times than Trump, and in a way that was far worse. Those documents they found from his Senate days had no legal means of getting there, let alone residing in his house for decades until he decided he'd give them back in an attempt to make a political opponent "look bad".

Cooperation decades later is only "cooperation" in the mind of an ideologue.
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You are offering up your opinion, which is not based upon fact only your hate for this President. As to any details you know nothing.
Its truly incredible that you think a former president took national security classified documents, refused to return them, lied about having them and then showed them to who knows how many people.
My friend that is espionage, and it has nothing to do with anyone else who also had secured documents, which by the way, were immediately returned.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...erial-by-80-former-congress-members#xj4y7vzkg
 
floridafan said:
You are offering up your opinion, which is not based upon fact only your hate for this President. As to any details you know nothing.
Its truly incredible that you think a former president took national security classified documents, refused to return them, lied about having them and then showed them to who knows how many people.
My friend that is espionage, and it has nothing to do with anyone else who also had secured documents, which by the way, were immediately returned.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...erial-by-80-former-congress-members#xj4y7vzkg
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"Immediately" returned... Some of the documents were from his time in the senate. Decades, that is not "immediate". You have got to stop lying to yourself.

The reality is, classified documents from the time he was in the Senate had no business being in Brandon's house, it is illegal to bring them there, to store them there, and to possess them. To say he "immediately" gave them back is absurd. He shouldn't have had them there in the first place.

Now I can see how someone who was and/or is President of the US can have documents given to them at their house, and had that been the case with Biden's documents you would not be hearing from me about this, shoot even as VP I can see it happening as you get the same briefings the President gets so you can step in if needed, thus I was not saying this about the docs in his garage as others were, as those may have been when he was VP and such things can follow you around for briefings, etc. and be misplaced, I even said that back then. However they found documents that were decades old and from his time in the Senate.

We know that Senators only have access to those documents in the SCIF under the Capital, and that they cannot take them out of there, or even notes, and are not allowed electronic devices which can image or make copies of them... If those documents were from that time, then they were there illegally. There is no reasonable explanation.

Now Trump, if this tape of him talking about having documents he shouldn't exists, even though he was President it would not fix his problem. That would be the same crime Brandon was committing by holding documents at his house illegally.
 
Damocles said:
"Immediately" returned... Some of the documents were from his time in the senate. Decades, that is not "immediate". You have got to stop lying to yourself.

The reality is, classified documents from the time he was in the Senate had no business being in Brandon's house, it is illegal to bring them there, to store them there, and to possess them. To say he "immediately" gave them back is absurd. He shouldn't have had them there in the first place.

Now I can see how someone who was and/or is President of the US can have documents given to them at their house, and had that been the case with Biden's documents you would not be hearing from me about this, shoot even as VP I can see it happening as you get the same briefings the President gets so you can step in if needed, thus I was not saying this about the docs in his garage as others were, as those may have been when he was VP and such things can follow you around for briefings, etc. and be misplaced, I even said that back then. However they found documents that were decades old and from his time in the Senate.

We know that Senators only have access to those documents in the SCIF under the Capital, and that they cannot take them out of there, or even notes, and are not allowed electronic devices which can image or make copies of them... If those documents were from that time, then they were there illegally. There is no reasonable explanation.

Now Trump, if this tape of him talking about having documents he shouldn't exists, even though he was President it would not fix his problem. That would be the same crime Brandon was committing by holding documents at his house illegally.
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Before we continue, I must ask you to grow the fuck up, and stop acting like a child. The president has a name, use it. I dont care what you think of him, but that nickname you have given him, just makes you look like shit. Be an adult, and write like one.
 
floridafan said:
Before we continue, I must ask you to grow the fuck up, and stop acting like a child. The president has a name, use it. I dont care what you think of him, but that nickname you have given him, just makes you look like shit. Be an adult, and write like one.
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I don't care about your feels. People who never said a thing about "Drumpf" "tRump" "That Orange Man" "President Orange Man" and the myriad others do not have the moral authority or the high ground. They do not get to tell me what I can call Dementia Joe Brandon. So long as you understand who I am referring to, I don't give one whip how "offended" you may be by it.

Never once did I demand anyone at all to stop using "names" to refer to Trump (nor did you, Mr. YouMustGrowUpLikeMe), because I am not "offended" by someone making fun of the pResident. If you want to use Brandon's real name, use it. If you want to change it in your mind to what you want to see, by all means do so. But until you can give me six years of you denouncing anyone who ever made fun of tRump, then you have no means to pretend you are on some special pedestal of personal perfection and "demand" I speak the way you want me to speak.

If you think it makes me "look like doo" then go ahead and think it, you do not offend me, nor do you make me believe that you suddenly are incapable of understanding who I am referring to any more than you are when Jarod (for example) refers to tRump as "tRump" (like I did). LOL

Anyway, stop trying to misdirect the conversation with weak ad hom attacks on my supposed childlike writing, make your point and move on. You will fail to "shame" me into using the words you want me to use. I chose to reference the pResident in a way that may bother you, get over it.
 
Damocles said:
I don't care about your feels. People who never said a thing about "Drumpf" "tRump" "That Orange Man" "President Orange Man" and the myriad others do not have the moral authority or the high ground. They do not get to tell me what I can call Dementia Joe Brandon. So long as you understand who I am referring to, I don't give one whip how "offended" you may be by it.

Never once did I demand anyone at all to stop using "names" to refer to Trump (nor did you, Mr. YouMustGrowUpLikeMe), because I am not "offended" by someone making fun of the pResident. If you want to use Brandon's real name, use it. If you want to change it in your mind to what you want to see, by all means do so. But until you can give me six years of you denouncing anyone who ever made fun of tRump, then you have no means to pretend you are on some special pedestal of personal perfection and "demand" I speak the way you want me to speak.

If you think it makes me "look like doo" then go ahead and think it, you do not offend me, nor do you make me believe that you suddenly are incapable of understanding who I am referring to any more than you are when Jarod (for example) refers to tRump as "tRump" (like I did). LOL

Anyway, stop trying to misdirect the conversation with weak ad hom attacks on my supposed childlike writing, make your point and move on. You will fail to "shame" me into using the words you want me to use. I chose to reference the pResident in a way that may bother you, get over it.
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Yeah, it does make you look bad. It is quite immature.
 
Damocles said:
If this tape exists then I would say yes. Just as I would say it is clear that Brandon broke the law when documents that had no legal means to get into his house were found from days where he did not have access to them other than from the SCIF under the Capital. Even had he not brought them there himself, and there is no reasonable explanation as to how so many got there that doesn't start with him bringing them there, having them there and not returning them was illegal in and of itself.
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I suspect is the statute of limitations has passed on any crimes Biden may have committed, and you would need evidence Bid we n put them there or knew they were there.

It is refreshing however to hear you admit if the reporting is true Trump has committed a crime.
 
Damocles said:
If this tape exists then I would say yes. Just as I would say it is clear that Brandon broke the law when documents that had no legal means to get into his house were found from days where he did not have access to them other than from the SCIF under the Capital. Even had he not brought them there himself, and there is no reasonable explanation as to how so many got there that doesn't start with him bringing them there, having them there and not returning them was illegal in and of itself.
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I suspect is the statute of limitations has passed on any crimes Biden may have committed, and you would need evidence Bid we n put them there or knew they were there.

It is refreshing however to hear you admit if the reporting is true Trump has committed a crime.

Now let’s talk about obstruction of Justice… Why did they have to get a search warrant to get Trumps documents but were invited to search Biden’s house for such documents?
 
Jarod said:
I suspect is the statute of limitations has passed on any crimes Biden may have committed, and you would need evidence Bid we n put them there or knew they were there.

It is refreshing however to hear you admit if the reporting is true Trump has committed a crime.
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Not a lawyer, but isn't there a law about a "continuing conspiracy to hide a crime"?
 
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