Trump isn't the only one seeing imaginary conspiracies....
Trumps tax cuts were a mammoth fraud
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Trump isn't the only one seeing imaginary conspiracies....
He is implementing them.
If you were really paying attention, you would know that the Repubs are committed to and actually do crank up the debt. The Dems actually deal with it when they are in power. The Reds always claim they are fiscal conservatives. if you looked at all you would see they are the opposite, but they have learned the power of inculcation.
It does not matter. The reds have targetted SS too.
I've seen that both parties continue to increase the debt. Certainly Obama set a new record (and extended the Bush tax cut) and Trump is continuing on that same path. Neither party is fiscally responsible.
Social Security has to be targeted for reforms because we know about 2037 benefits will exceed revenues. Currently, they use the $2.5 trillion surplus to cover the shortfall, but that surplus will be gone. The Democratic solution to everything is to raise taxes and spending.
signalmankenneth
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Before Trump's tax cuts, I use to have lunch once a week at mickey d's, I would have a hamburger and a small fry, and a glass of water?!! After Trump's tax cuts, I can get a cheeseburger, small fry, and a small coke once a week now?!! Thanks Trump!
Harry Truman made his name by investigating military contractors after WW2. he found huge cheating and recovered millions. The Military has made sure that it did not happen again. Occasionally a whistleblower will appear at a hearing and that costs them a job and a career.
I would love to see someone with guts do that.
floridafan
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revenue from tax cuts is not up, that's why we have trillions more in deficits
PoliTalker
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Happy everything Adolf_Twitler,
Remember when Trump* told everybody he was going to self-finance and nobody would have to donate to him?
Ha ha. What fools to believe that.
Yes, and Bloomberg who got an extra several Billions of Dollars gift over the last two years is now spending his windfall tax relief in DEFEATING DONALD ASS TRUMP!
SEE HOW THAT DOUBLE EDGE SWORD SLICES BOTH WAYS! LOL!
MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS! BLAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Remember when Trump* told everybody he was going to self-finance and nobody would have to donate to him?
Ha ha. What fools to believe that.
PoliTalker
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Hello Flash,
No it is not. The Democratic solution to Trump's high crimes is impeachment.
No it is not. The Democratic solution to Trump's high crimes is impeachment.
Adolf_Twitler
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The son-of-a-BITCH never donated to any charity, or campaign that he didn't first rob someone of the money- most definitely robbing the IRS and the taxpayers across this nation!
IS THERE ANY DOUBT WHY HE IS HIDING HIS TAXES? FUCK NO!
Is not what? Both parties aren't fiscally irresponsible? Obama didn't set debt records Trump is continuing? Social Security does not have to be reformed to meet future payments?
I'm not sure what your post refers to.
No...it's absolutely incredible that their dumbed-down base still supports trickle down voodoo after almost half a century of failure.
Loving91390
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I work for a charity ..... we have had the best Xmas ever ! People are being very generous , which means they feel safe .
Thank you President Trump !
Thank you President Trump !
Can you read graphs? https://www.alternet.org/2019/12/th...esponsibility-has-been-completely-demolished/ Note that Obama .as most Dems, inherited a huge red fiscal problem and fixed it. You can see how as time went on, the debt decreased over and over. If Trump had simply continued that, it would be quite small now. But he did republican things and we are deep in debt again.
I understand what happened. I just stated the fact that Obama set a record for increased debt. It would have occurred under any president during that period.
I don't give presidents that much credit or blame for most economic conditions. Obama did not do anything to decrease the deficit--that occurred as the country recovered from the recession and revenue increased. Also, he was under some pressure to not increase spending too much because of the situation.
Trump did some Republican things (tax cut) and some Democratic things (increased spending). I always thought Democrats wanted increased government spending--at least the Democratic presidential candidates and JPP posters do.
alternet is not really a creditable news source.
PoliTalker
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Hello floridafan,
But it was a tremendous thing for very rich people...
In the President's own words:
"You all just got a lot richer."
But it was a tremendous thing for very rich people...
In the President's own words:
"You all just got a lot richer."
PoliTalker
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Hello Nordberg,
Yes, the deficit grows under Republicans but they fool them selves and blame it on Democrats.
Yes, the deficit grows under Republicans but they fool them selves and blame it on Democrats.
PoliTalker
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Hello Flash,
It is disingenuous to state it like that, as if it was something he did.
Except to blame Obama for increasing the debt that was bound to happen no matter who was President, as you say.
He signed the bipartisan sequester, which was actually a very big deal.
Very misleading. Republicans typically outspend Democrats, even though they claim otherwise and fool themselves by blaming Democrats for it.
They rightfully wanted it when it was meant to kick start the stalled economy during the Great Recession. Now it is needed to promote the general welfare, modernize infrastructure and fight climate change. Those who have gotten so rich from tax cuts need to pay for it and additional amounts as needed to balance the budget.
It is disingenuous to state it like that, as if it was something he did.
Except to blame Obama for increasing the debt that was bound to happen no matter who was President, as you say.
He signed the bipartisan sequester, which was actually a very big deal.
Very misleading. Republicans typically outspend Democrats, even though they claim otherwise and fool themselves by blaming Democrats for it.
They rightfully wanted it when it was meant to kick start the stalled economy during the Great Recession. Now it is needed to promote the general welfare, modernize infrastructure and fight climate change. Those who have gotten so rich from tax cuts need to pay for it and additional amounts as needed to balance the budget.
Obama did it. Note the graph. year after year Obama cut the debt. It increased bigly when Trump got in. The Dems are fiscal conservatives. Clinton set it up to make it go away.
Alternet did not create the graph. They posted it.
That is what I said--Democratic presidential candidates (and JPP posters) support more spending--forgive student debt, free college, Medicare for all, Green New Deal. The reasons they want that spending (general welfare) does not change the fact that they want it (and Republicans are just as bad). Plus, Democrats wanted to triple the maximum EITC in the current spending bill but were unsuccessful.
And, I saw a debate in the House on C-SPAN of the Democrats wanting to increase the tax deduction on state and local taxes to $20,000 (from the $10,000 limit in the 2017 tax bill). Republicans argued almost all the benefits would go to the top 1%.
I did not "blame" Obama for the record debt, just pointed out that Republicans aren't always responsible for increased debt. Presidents get the credit or blame for those things even if they have little to do with them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...3ad64e-236b-11ea-bed5-880264cc91a9_story.html