U.S. Voters Don’t Want Socialist or Very Old President: Poll

Nordberg said:
She got more votes and she was savaged by the Repub house and senate investigations for decades. She was found guilty of nothing. Trump will not survive investigations intact. He is a crook.
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The irony here is your willingness to defend all things Hillary even though she and her husband are corrupt is really no different than those who stand up for Trump. Different sides of the political spectrum but partisanship ultimately trumps all (no pun intended).
 
Nordberg said:
She got more votes and she was savaged by the Repub house and senate investigations for decades. She was found guilty of nothing. Trump will not survive investigations intact. He is a crook.
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I didn't say she did anything wrong and that wasn't the point. The point is that she was disliked and loyal Democrats failed to turn out and vote for her because of their lack of enthusiasm. Many Democrats and Republicans held their noses and voted for their party's candidate plus an increased number who voted 3rd party.

If you compare black voter turnout in those swing states she lost with Obama's turnout, you can see how a little campaigning in those states could have easily turned the election.
 
Nordberg said:
Forgot nothing. Reagan was like Trump in many ways. He started the slash taxes and spend like crazy to deliberately jack up the debt. The people who were running him were establishing the Republican plan of crank up the debt so you can take away all social programs that help the poor and middle class. McConnell has actually said they are doing that in public. So did that jerk Ryan, I have no use for building a plutocracy, but the Repubs have almost acccomplished it.
The press was not as rough as it is now. Trump was not treated like Obama was.
Trump creates his own bad treatment. He thinks he was elected king.
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That post is so full of shit I don't know where to begin lol.
 
cawacko said:
The irony here is your willingness to defend all things Hillary even though she and her husband are corrupt is really no different than those who stand up for Trump. Different sides of the political spectrum but partisanship ultimately trumps all (no pun intended).
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It is easy to be a Dem when you think the people deserve better treatment. If I were a righty I would agree that the rich should just keep getting more and more wealth and power. Not sure why I would want that, but I would.
Hillary was investigated by the Repubs a dozen times and they found nothing. Yet soime people are dumb enough to keep calling her crooked or corrupt. What does it take to teach you guys the facts. The Repubs had all the power of the house and senate and found nothing. They proved for a fact that the Clintons are honest.
 
Vasquezrocks said:
No one gives a shit what California thinks !
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Nordberg said:
No one. Is that what you think? No one.
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This is anecdotal but when I lived in New Mexico in the early '90's I heard people complaining about da Californians. When I lived in Idaho in the late '90's they complained about da Californians. When I skied in Montana they complained about da Californians. When I go to my condo in Hawaii most of my neighbors are from California and they complain about da Californians and their politics which is why they're in Hawaii.
For some reason California is thought of as a different country and culture (from my perspective).
Their politics are certainly different.
 
Nordberg said:
It is easy to be a Dem when you think the people deserve better treatment. If I were a righty I would agree that the rich should just keep getting more and more wealth and power. Not sure why I would want that, but I would.
Hillary was investigated by the Repubs a dozen times and they found nothing. Yet soime people are dumb enough to keep calling her crooked or corrupt. What does it take to teach you guys the facts. The Repubs had all the power of the house and senate and found nothing. They proved for a fact that the Clintons are honest.
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The level of denial in this response is so strong it’s almost impressive. Because someone isn’t found guilty in a court of law does not automatically make them honest. That’s just an asinine presumption. Because someone can skirt the law does not mean they aren’t/can’t be corrupt.

The ultimate irony here is your blind loyalty to the Clinton’s is basically the same loyalty we see from some Trump supporters towards him.

At the end of the day Nordberg I read progressive writers and I listen to progressive radio (Pacifica free speech radio, the home of democracy now) so I’ve heard what progressives have said about the Clinton’s. So your claim that only people on the right think they are corrupt is flat out false.
 
New Gallup data shows a possible path to victory for Bernie Sanders

The report examines how the Democratic party has changed over the past 18 years, and finds the party’s voters are becoming increasingly left-wing. That helps explain not only Sanders’s then-surprising success in 2016, but why he’s (correctly) seen as one of the frontrunners today.

The report examines how the Democratic party has changed over the past 18 years, and finds the party’s voters are becoming increasingly left-wing. That helps explain not only Sanders’s then-surprising success in 2016, but why he’s (correctly) seen as one of the frontrunners today.

Gallup’s basic finding: Democrats have gotten a lot more liberal
Gallup’s pollsters looked through data on the Democratic party since 2000, dividing it into three distinct periods: 2001-2006, when a growing number of Democrats were identifying as liberal; 2007-2012, when the share of Democrats who described themselves as liberal was steady, and 2013-2018, when it once again began to increase.

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/19/18231538/bernie-sanders-2020-win-chances-gallup
 
cawacko said:
The level of denial in this response is so strong it’s almost impressive. Because someone isn’t found guilty in a court of law does not automatically make them honest. That’s just an asinine presumption. Because someone can skirt the law does not mean they aren’t/can’t be corrupt.

The ultimate irony here is your blind loyalty to the Clinton’s is basically the same loyalty we see from some Trump supporters towards him.

At the end of the day Nordberg I read progressive writers and I listen to progressive radio (Pacifica free speech radio, the home of democracy now) so I’ve heard what progressives have said about the Clinton’s. So your claim that only people on the right think they are corrupt is flat out false.
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Actually it does. The repubs would do anything to nail her. The faiiled because they had nothing. No blind eye at all, just the ability to evaluate the facts and the trial results. 12 fucking investigation all run by the Repubs. If she were a crook,don't you think they would have found something? Damn you know she is a crook. Lets see the evidence other that Fox Gnus and right wing propganda.
Your absolute blind right wing hate keeps you believing things that are not in evidence. You should demand more. You should question that Clinton mistaken belief and actually demand some proof before you jump in the fiery pit of lies and propaganda.
 
Dark Soul said:
I applaud any effort to reduce the size and scope of FedCo.
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Not what it does. It merely distributes the wealth of America to the top. I don't know why you love billionaires and hate the masses, but obviously, you do. https://www.cbpp.org/research/pover...ics-on-historical-trends-in-income-inequality If you take the time to read this, you might learn something. The wealth gap accelerated from 1970s on. Trump did the same thing with his tax cuis and deregulation of wealthy people and corporations. It is not good for you, if your selfishness is all you cling to. Then you should not be a Trumplestilskin.
 
Nordberg said:
Not what it does. It merely distributes the wealth of America to the top. I don't know why you love billionaires and hate the masses, but obviously, you do. https://www.cbpp.org/research/pover...ics-on-historical-trends-in-income-inequality If you take the time to read this, you might learn something. The wealth gap accelerated from 1970s on. Trump did the same thing with his tax cuis and deregulation of wealthy people and corporations. It is not good for you, if your selfishness is all you cling to. Then you should not be a Trumplestilskin.
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Democrats love wealthy donors.
 
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