APP - UK health system hits back at US critics

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It's nice to see that not all Americans have the lost the plot on the NHS.

By RAPHAEL G. SATTER - Associated Press Writer



LONDON -- Britain's health care service says it is sick of being lied about.
Pilloried by right-wing critics of President Barack Obama's health care plan, Britain's National Health Service, known here as the NHS, is fighting back.
"People have been saying some untruths in the States," a spokesman for Britain Department of Health said in a telephone interview. "There's been all these ridiculous claims made by the American health lobby about Obama's health care plan ... and they've used the NHS as an example. A lot of it has been untrue." He spoke anonymously in line with department policy.

A particularly outlandish example of a U.S. editorial, printed in the Investor's Business Daily, claimed that renowned physicist Stephen Hawking, who is disabled, "wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless."

Hawking, who was born and lives in Britain, personally debunked the claim. "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he told The Guardian newspaper. Investor's Business Daily has since corrected the editorial.

As the debate over how best to look after American patients rages on, Britain's socialized health care system has increasingly found itself being drawn into the argument. Critics of the Obama administration's plan to overhaul US health care say the president is seeking to model the U.S. system on that of Britain or Canada - places they paint as countries where patients linger for months on waiting lists and are forbidden from paying for their own medication.

A Republican National Committee ad said that in the U.K. "individuals lose their right to make their own health care choices." Another ad launched earlier this month by the anti-tax group Club for Growth claimed that government bureaucrats in Britain had calculated six months of life to be worth $22,750. "Under their socialized system, if your treatment costs more, you're out of luck," the ad says, as footage of an elderly man weeping at a woman's bedside alternate with clips of the Union Jack and Big Ben.
The online attacks on Britain's health care system have been paired with strident criticism from Republican lawmakers.

In an interview widely interpreted here as an attack on the U.K., Republican Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa told a local radio station last week that "countries that have government-run health care" would not have given Sen. Edward Kennedy, who suffers from a brain tumor, the same standard of care as in the U.S. because he is too old. Another Republican, Congressman Paul Broun of Georgia, said that the U.K. and Canada "don't have the appreciation of life as we do in our society, evidently."
The criticism, widely covered in the U.K. media, has clearly stung Britain's left-leaning Labour government. The Department of Health took the unusual step of contacting The Associated Press and e-mailing it a three-page rebuttal to what it said were misconceptions about the NHS being bandied about in the U.S. media - each one followed with the words: "Not true."

At the top of the list was the idea that a patient in his late 70s would not be treated for a brain tumor because he was too old - a transparent reference to Grassley's comments about Kennedy.
And what of Republicans' claim that British patients are robbed of their medical choices? False again, the department said.

"Everyone who is cared for by the NHS in England has formal rights to make choices about the service that they receive," it said in its rebuttal.

Then followed a fact sheet comparing selected statistics such as health spending per capita, infant mortality, life expectancy, and more. Each one showed England outperforming its trans-Atlantic counterpart.
The British government offers health care for free at the point of need, a service pioneered by Labour in 1948. In the six decades since, its promise of universal medical care, from cradle to grave, is taken for granted by Britons to such an extent that politicians - even fiscal conservatives - are loath to attack it.
But the NHS faces significant challenges, not least a multi-billion pound (dollar) deficit predicted to open up over the next five years. It has its critics too, particularly cancer patients who complain that the government refuses to cover costlier drugs, leaving those who need expensive treatments to pay for them out of pocket.
Nevertheless, many in the British press bristled at the criticism from America's right wing.

"How dare the Republicans bad-mouth our free health care system?" Guardian columnist Michele Hanson wrote Wednesday. "If I'd been born in the U.S., I'd probably be dead by now."



 
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Imagine that. The healthcare lobby lying about something.

I'd be more surprised if they were caught being honest about something.
 
Imagine that. The healthcare lobby lying about something.

I'd be more surprised if they were caught being honest about something.
 
Oh no, are a couple of blokes upset? Have them go to the nearest pub throw back a few pints and go home with the nearest buck tooth girl they see and their feelings will be better in the morning.
 
Oh no, are a couple of blokes upset? Have them go to the nearest pub throw back a few pints and go home with the nearest buck tooth girl they see and their feelings will be better in the morning.

Good God Cawacko, this not worthy of you what has happened since you migrated over here from the WOT?
 
Good God Cawacko, this not worthy of you what has happened since you migrated over here from the WOT?

Haha, come on I can't crack one joke at the expense of the Brits? I have a good friend in London who I met when he worked for six months in the U.S. and he's a great guy. In typical guy fashion we love to go back and forth at each other and (respectfully) joking about each other's country so that's where I was coming from. I love the Brits because when I visited London they made great jokes about the French. :)
 
Haha, come on I can't crack one joke at the expense of the Brits? I have a good friend in London who I met when he worked for six months in the U.S. and he's a great guy. In typical guy fashion we love to go back and forth at each other and (respectfully) joking about each other's country so that's where I was coming from. I love the Brits because when I visited London they made great jokes about the French. :)

Did you examine his teeth?
 
Haha, no but he had a very beautiful wife and she had good teeth!!! I was like where did you find her??? She was one fine bird.

Here are a few French jokes maybe you've heard them before?

Q: What does "Maginot" mean in German?
A: Welcome!

Q: How do you get a Frenchman out of a bath tub?
A: Throw in a bar of soap.


Q: Why do French naval ships have glass bottoms?
A: To see all their other ships.


Q: Why wasn`t Christ born in France?
A: Because they couldn`t find three wise men and a virgin.
 
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Imagine that. The healthcare lobby lying about something.

I'd be more surprised if they were caught being honest about something.

I heard on the radio this morning that the US spends 17% of GDP on healthcare, the figure in the UK is around 9%. The US system suffers from a huge overhead of admin costs.
 
Here are a few French jokes maybe you've heard them before?

Q: What does "Maginot" mean in German?
A: Welcome!

Q: How do you get a Frenchman out of a bath tub?
A: Throw in a bar of soap.


Q: Why do French naval ships have glass bottoms?
A: To see all their other ships.


Q: Why wasn`t Christ born in France?
A: Because they couldn`t find three wise men and a virgin.

Haha, that is great!
 
It's nice to see that not all Americans have the lost the plot on the NHS.

By RAPHAEL G. SATTER - Associated Press Writer



LONDON -- Britain's health care service says it is sick of being lied about.
Pilloried by right-wing critics of President Barack Obama's health care plan, Britain's National Health Service, known here as the NHS, is fighting back.
"People have been saying some untruths in the States," a spokesman for Britain Department of Health said in a telephone interview. "There's been all these ridiculous claims made by the American health lobby about Obama's health care plan ... and they've used the NHS as an example. A lot of it has been untrue." He spoke anonymously in line with department policy.

A particularly outlandish example of a U.S. editorial, printed in the Investor's Business Daily, claimed that renowned physicist Stephen Hawking, who is disabled, "wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless."

Hawking, who was born and lives in Britain, personally debunked the claim. "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he told The Guardian newspaper. Investor's Business Daily has since corrected the editorial.

As the debate over how best to look after American patients rages on, Britain's socialized health care system has increasingly found itself being drawn into the argument. Critics of the Obama administration's plan to overhaul US health care say the president is seeking to model the U.S. system on that of Britain or Canada - places they paint as countries where patients linger for months on waiting lists and are forbidden from paying for their own medication.

A Republican National Committee ad said that in the U.K. "individuals lose their right to make their own health care choices." Another ad launched earlier this month by the anti-tax group Club for Growth claimed that government bureaucrats in Britain had calculated six months of life to be worth $22,750. "Under their socialized system, if your treatment costs more, you're out of luck," the ad says, as footage of an elderly man weeping at a woman's bedside alternate with clips of the Union Jack and Big Ben.
The online attacks on Britain's health care system have been paired with strident criticism from Republican lawmakers.

In an interview widely interpreted here as an attack on the U.K., Republican Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa told a local radio station last week that "countries that have government-run health care" would not have given Sen. Edward Kennedy, who suffers from a brain tumor, the same standard of care as in the U.S. because he is too old. Another Republican, Congressman Paul Broun of Georgia, said that the U.K. and Canada "don't have the appreciation of life as we do in our society, evidently."
The criticism, widely covered in the U.K. media, has clearly stung Britain's left-leaning Labour government. The Department of Health took the unusual step of contacting The Associated Press and e-mailing it a three-page rebuttal to what it said were misconceptions about the NHS being bandied about in the U.S. media - each one followed with the words: "Not true."

At the top of the list was the idea that a patient in his late 70s would not be treated for a brain tumor because he was too old - a transparent reference to Grassley's comments about Kennedy.
And what of Republicans' claim that British patients are robbed of their medical choices? False again, the department said.

"Everyone who is cared for by the NHS in England has formal rights to make choices about the service that they receive," it said in its rebuttal.

Then followed a fact sheet comparing selected statistics such as health spending per capita, infant mortality, life expectancy, and more. Each one showed England outperforming its trans-Atlantic counterpart.
The British government offers health care for free at the point of need, a service pioneered by Labour in 1948. In the six decades since, its promise of universal medical care, from cradle to grave, is taken for granted by Britons to such an extent that politicians - even fiscal conservatives - are loath to attack it.
But the NHS faces significant challenges, not least a multi-billion pound (dollar) deficit predicted to open up over the next five years. It has its critics too, particularly cancer patients who complain that the government refuses to cover costlier drugs, leaving those who need expensive treatments to pay for them out of pocket.
Nevertheless, many in the British press bristled at the criticism from America's right wing.

"How dare the Republicans bad-mouth our free health care system?" Guardian columnist Michele Hanson wrote Wednesday. "If I'd been born in the U.S., I'd probably be dead by now."




Fantastic article, thanks so much for posting it. I'm so sick of RW's posting lies about countries probably most have never visited, and about health plans they've never used. I'm glad all of you from other countries post facts about your plans, even though the ones who really need to listen will disregard them.
 
Fantastic article, thanks so much for posting it. I'm so sick of RW's posting lies about countries probably most have never visited, and about health plans they've never used. I'm glad all of you from other countries post facts about your plans, even though the ones who really need to listen will disregard them.

It is also worthwhile pointing out that many companies provide private healthcare as a fringe benefit, which supplements the NHS. My company uses BUPA which is run as a non-profit company.
 
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It is also worthwhile pointing out that many companies provide private healthcare as a fringe benefit, which supplements the NHS. My company uses BUPA which is run as a non-profit company.

I looked at this online. How does it work? Does it give you additional products and services? Why do you need this, besides the NHS coverage?
 
Oh no, are a couple of blokes upset? Have them go to the nearest pub throw back a few pints and go home with the nearest buck tooth girl they see and their feelings will be better in the morning.

I'm all for that, I love a cold lager and pub grub, my idea of a grand afternoon, though my English lassie days are over since my Cuban experience. All I can do is smile(on the QT). HOWEVER, Grassley is lying, I can vouch for that having experienced the Brit system myself. He's like an evil Howdy Doody.
I've been trying for a decade to get my daughter and family to leave London and come back to Fla.. The number one reason given for staying is the Brit system when compared to our system, too costly, too risky, too much worry about what could happen in the event of a future catastrophe. My son in Germany gives me the same reasons. They both think we, here in the US, are crazy.
 
An article which sums things up nicely.

AMERICANS WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE ATTACK PLAN TO GIVE THEM HEALTH INSURANCE

FAT, stupid Americans with no health insurance have attacked plans to stop them dying so easily.

Across the United States poor people who are told what to think by television said President Obama's plan to give them free healthcare could lead to them being treated in a hospital that was not run by the Chicago Mafia.

Bill McKay, a retired shitkicker and Fox News analyst, from Kentucky, said: "I would rather replace my own hip using a rusty spoon than wait two months to have it done in a communist hospital, by some coffee-coloured faggot doctor who will then eat my unborn child to celebrate the end of Ramadan."

Barbara Hayes, a God-fearer, from Arkansas, added: "Ah see'd some woman from England on the Fox News sayin' her muslim communist doctor would only give her the good medicines if she denounced Jesus. Ah ain't denouncin' Jesus fir nobody, no siree."

But Dr Tom Logan, head of public health at the Institute for Studies, said: "The key difference between the United States and Britain is that we treat poor people rather than leaving them to die in a skip.

"It may take a few weeks or even months, and not everyone is happy about that, but we do at least all agree that it is marginally better than the skip."

He added: "Rich people have a thing called 'BUPA'. No-one know what it stands for and some people say it sounds as if it might be Indian. But it means you get your own room, quick treatment, nice food, and you get fawned over by nurses who were just a bit too sexy for the NHS."

Meanwhile Conservative leader David Cameron was forced to defend the NHS after Tory MEP Daniel Hannan's ego appeared on Fox News claiming Britain's health system was 'worse than a lifetime of anal warts'.

A Conservative spokesman said: "We're not really sure what Daniel Hannan's problem is with the NHS. Perhaps they were unable to save his hair."

Stephen Malley, professor of American History at Reading University, added: "To be fair to Fox News and the Republicans, they do have a principled objection to socialised medicine based largely on the fact that a black man won the election.

"The thing you must always remember about the American right wing is that they are basically the baddies in a film."

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...n-to-give-them-health-insurance-200908141981/
 
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