Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Have we stopped losing jobs?
Understanding Socialism
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Have we stopped losing jobs?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I've been right here... no it wasn't, that was the LIEEEEEE we were told!
The rate of job loss has decreased dramatically.
Like I said - there is no way that stops on a dime. It seems impossible that someone can't get that...
SmarterthanYou
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because I don't feel like restating all the facts that have been laid out numerous times before, only to have you ignore them again.
SmarterthanYou
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Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
The Stock market is not necessarily connected to the real american economy.
stock prices rise when companies save money by using overseas slave labor, or when commodities become scarce.
When we say the stock market is good, we also have to discuss "good for whom?"
stock prices rise when companies save money by using overseas slave labor, or when commodities become scarce.
When we say the stock market is good, we also have to discuss "good for whom?"
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
so then "no, we haven't stopped losing jobs".
Jobs as a lagging indicator, is an outdated concept in a world where stocks rise PRECISELY BECAUSE OF laying off american workers.
"Lagging indicator" is not an outdated concept. It is one of the easiest & most predictable economic principles out there.
What do companies need to hire? Confidence.
Think.
SmarterthanYou
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politicians and their apologists need to come to the understanding that there are two distinct and very separate economies and that just because one is good does not mean the other isn't. All too often though, those apologists like to ignore the one that really counts.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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You fucking retard! If air is still escaping your balloon, how can it be, you have stopped the leak and it is filling back up?
WE STILL HAVE JOB LOSS!!!! Do you NOT comprehend that?
This can ONLY mean, we do NOT have JOB CREATION!
You can try to SPIN this all you like, the bottom line is, your president LIED to the American people! Democrats LIED to the American people! You ALL told us, if we passed the stimulus, unemployment would not go above 8.5%, and it is currently at 10.2% and still RISING!!!
Now look idiot... We are fucking tired of hearing how it's all George Bush's fault, and Obama can't help this mess he inherited! We're all tired of hearing your obfuscations and excuses for why the economy is still floundering! We damn sure aren't going to put up with you trying to piss up our leg and tell us it's raining! The economy is NOT turning around, we CONTINUE to LOSE jobs, and NOTHING is currently on the table or even in consideration, for how to change that! All you people seem intent to do, is ram some goddamn social entitlement program we can't afford, down our throat against our will, because you are all a bunch of Communist Socialists!
If the argument is that Wall Street & Main Street are not connected, I'd have to ask where you have been over the past year.
There are all kinds of "good." Would I describe the economy in general as "good" right now? Of course not. Way too many people are unemployed or struggling - that is clear.
Would I say that the situation is "good" compared to what I thought it might be about 6-8 months ago? Oh, yeah - most definitely...
Over 50% of American businesses surveyed in the past month plan to hire in the next quarter.
Does anyone here - who has any understanding of economics whatsoever - think there is any policy at all that would have seen positive job growth within a few months of losing jobs at a clip of 500,000+ per month?
This is not an overnight transition. It sounds so naive to try to argue that it is...
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Yep. Massive tariffs on all countries who have no civil rights for individuals.
This would get our entire populace working.
What is this transition you speak of?
SmarterthanYou
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right here wondering why Obama/Democrat apologists were claiming that the stimulus would fix this in less time than it took for TARP to be deemed a failure.
well, that certainly changes my outlook then.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Your faulty expectations having nothing to do with actual reality.
The reality is we're hemmoraging jobs. A temporary slow down in rate of loss is not "recovery", you fucking fool.
SmarterthanYou
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but what so few people understand (and many more people will point fingers when it happens again) is that the recovery is going to be a fake. another bubble ready to burst. This is because the billions being used to prop this recovery is like the iceberg in front of titanic.
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
Well, not really. The interpretation that socialism is a stage towards Marxism was just something that the USSR used to justify the totalitarian state. The first socialist parties were explicitly Marxist, and Marx was one of the first members of the Socialist party in Germany (although he had previously founded a party, called the Communist League, and the name was later resurrected by radical socialists).
After WWII all the Marxist parts of socialism fell off though, and you're left with parties that are only vaguely leftwing, and some parties like the Labour party in Britain that aren't even social democratic but third way, like Clinton
As I said before, socialism is basically dead, and dixie's interpretations are laughable and historically inaccurate.
I'm not going to convince the pennywisers; I have stated the case, and the indicators right now support my position.
I would like to ask....is is anyone's contention that without TARP & the bailouts - if GM, big banks, AIG & the rest had been allowed to fail - that we'd be losing FEWER jobs right now?
I would like to ask....is is anyone's contention that without TARP & the bailouts - if GM, big banks, AIG & the rest had been allowed to fail - that we'd be losing FEWER jobs right now?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
No. The indicators no longer apply.
Without tarp it would have been hard, but better in the long run. We would return to reality, instead of just creating another massive fiction.