Understanding Socialism

[Sammy Jankis]

third way = fascism.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I'm not going to convince the pennywisers; I have stated the case, and the indicators right now support my position.

I would like to ask....is is anyone's contention that without TARP & the bailouts - if GM, big banks, AIG & the rest had been allowed to fail - that we'd be losing FEWER jobs right now?

no, we'd be where we are now, just 6 months earlier which would have two positive benefits. The recovery would start sooner and it would be a real recovery, not a fake one.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Like I said earlier, this is not a debate over the intricacies of various forms of socialism, ALL socialism ultimately fails and always destroys freedom and liberty.

Socialism is dead. Parties that call themselves Socialist are not socialist. The Democratic party definitely isn't socialist. It's a conservative party. The Republican party is a radical, unhinged party.

Karl Marx philosophy can be summed up in one quote; "From each according to means, to each according to need." This is precisely the 'mantra' of every Democrat policy, all the way down the line.

LOL. No, that's not how you could sum up Karl Marx's philosophy. He said that, in the end stages of communism, that's how things would be distributed, but obviously there is a lot more leading up to that.

And today we do distribute according to need. We just don't distribute according to want, and because of the vast wealth capitalism has brought us we don't need to take much of the people's means to insure that everyone is fed.

 

[Onceler]

no, we'd be where we are now, just 6 months earlier which would have two positive benefits. The recovery would start sooner and it would be a real recovery, not a fake one.

We wouldn't be where we are now.

How do you derive that?

Even if only GM failed, we'd be in a much worse place.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

We wouldn't be where we are now.

How do you derive that?

These multiple corporations 'too big to fail' were relying on the bailout, so they only bothered to make the minimum changes necessary to satisfy lawmakers, most of which know next to nothing about business or economics, so they didn't learn anything. It will happen again and they'll expect another bailout because they are 'too big to fail'. Had we let some of those 'too big to fail' companies actually fail, all the others would have simultaneously shiat their collective pants and made the changes in their business practices in order to NOT fail.

Even if only GM failed, we'd be in a much worse place.

your proof is?

 

[Topspin]

Your faulty expectations having nothing to do with actual reality.

The reality is we're hemmoraging jobs. A temporary slow down in rate of loss is not "recovery", you fucking fool.

Tell us oh great GED'r what a recovery is???

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Tell us oh great GED'r what a recovery is???

When we start increasing the number of jobs. period.

Stock prices and gdp have shit to do with it.

 

[Topspin]

When we start increasing the number of jobs. period.

Stock prices and gdp have shit to do with it.

your about to get outsourced for the 4th time, dipshit tools are getting let go daily cause it's a new game plan.

Let me get this straight, we'll have two quarters of GDP growth and because dipshits like you and Smarterthana5thgrader get laid off not recovery.
OK I got it.

 

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You're very confused. These are not examples of "socialism," any more than unemployment benefits or toll roads are.

Socialism is the complete gov't takeover of industry & the means of production. The idea that anything like that is happening in America is nothing more than extreme paranoia.

no, you're confused....you can have socialist policies without having a complete socialist government....GM is a perfect example of socialism, healthcare reform is an example of socialism....

Health care, education, and Social Security are not included in general welfare or the common good?

IMO, no, unfortunately, scotus has ruled that basically anything under the sun can be included because of that phrase....it still doesn't take away the fact that the government is taking your money, which can be turned into a means of production, controlling your money until you turn a certain age, then it gives you a set amount of money that it alone controls....it is a socialist type policy as the government is essentially taking your profit/earnings and controlling what it done with that profit....

 

[Topspin]

Socialism is dead. Parties that call themselves Socialist are not socialist. The Democratic party definitely isn't socialist. It's a conservative party. The Republican party is a radical, unhinged party.

Waterturd, mucho propo's muchacho

I didn't think you had it in you.

Was that Burn pointed at Dixie-skinhead

Regardless nice republican radical ghestapo burn!!!

 

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Well, not really. The interpretation that socialism is a stage towards Marxism was just something that the USSR used to justify the totalitarian state. The first socialist parties were explicitly Marxist, and Marx was one of the first members of the Socialist party in Germany (although he had previously founded a party, called the Communist League, and the name was later resurrected by radical socialists).

After WWII all the Marxist parts of socialism fell off though, and you're left with parties that are only vaguely leftwing, and some parties like the Labour party in Britain that aren't even social democratic but third way, like Clinton

As I said before, socialism is basically dead, and dixie's interpretations are laughable and historically inaccurate.

what do you consider SS, healthcare reform, medicaid, welfare....GM to be?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

your about to get outsourced for the 4th time, dipshit tools are getting let go daily cause it's a new game plan.

Let me get this straight, we'll have two quarters of GDP growth and because dipshits like you and Smarterthana5thgrader get laid off not recovery.
OK I got it.

apparently you don't.

 

[Topspin]

The military is socialist, the dea ghestapo lite

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The military is socialist,

um, no.

the dea ghestapo lite

nothing 'lite' about them. though i'd also throw in ATF, FBI, and IRS.

 

[Onceler]

"GM is a perfect example of socialism, healthcare reform is an example of socialism...."

They aren't, Yurt. Healthcare is no more socialist than toll roads or housing assistance.

The bailout of GM is a temporary plan. It is not a transition of the auto industry to a state-run enterprise. Paranoids make that argument, but it's not happening & will not happen.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Healthcare is no more socialist than toll roads or housing assistance.

that needs an explanation please. I can see why toll roads is not socialist, but housing assistance? and healthcare reform?

 

[Topspin]

"GM is a perfect example of socialism, healthcare reform is an example of socialism...."

They aren't, Yurt. Healthcare is no more socialist than toll roads or housing assistance.

The bailout of GM is a temporary plan. It is not a transition of the auto industry to a state-run enterprise. Paranoids make that argument, but it's not happening & will not happen.

Spurt went to community college, what do you expect

 

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"GM is a perfect example of socialism, healthcare reform is an example of socialism...."

They aren't, Yurt. Healthcare is no more socialist than toll roads or housing assistance.

The bailout of GM is a temporary plan. It is not a transition of the auto industry to a state-run enterprise. Paranoids make that argument, but it's not happening & will not happen.

the government owns the means and production of GM, that is factual....it is irrelevent how temporary it is, right now, it is socialist and the policy is socialist....they even forced out the last CEO...yeah, then guess who is calling the shots....the government, how you can claim it is not socialism is bizarre....seems you have this time factor which is absolutely irrelevent to whether it is socialist now

healthcare reform is a socialist policy...the government will own the means and production of its own healthcare insurance....you don't need a complete takeover of every single thing for some one policy or thing to be socialist

 

[Sammy Jankis]

the government owns the means and production of GM, that is factual....it is irrelevent how temporary it is, right now, it is socialist and the policy is socialist....they even forced out the last CEO...yeah, then guess who is calling the shots....the government, how you can claim it is not socialism is bizarre....seems you have this time factor which is absolutely irrelevent to whether it is socialist now

healthcare reform is a socialist policy...the government will own the means and production of its own healthcare insurance....you don't need a complete takeover of every single thing for some one policy or thing to be socialist

IT is facist. Be precise.

 

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IT is facist. Be precise.

you think everything is fascist