Ungerrymandered: Michigan’s Maps, Independently Drawn, Set Up Fair Fight

Flash said:
Citizens also voted in the legislators who redistrict in most states.
Click to expand...

I would love to see you cite some examples of Democratic legislatures doing what Republican legislatures do routinely

gerrymandering is a GOP specialty, a TOP priority, their only ticket to power, much like the EC is their only ticket to the WH........last two GOP presidents took office after losing the popular vote, which is the only vote that actually matters

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...edistricting-map-republicans-democrats-visual
 
reagansghost said:
I would love to see you cite some examples of Democratic legislatures doing what Republican legislatures do routinely

gerrymandering is a GOP specialty, a TOP priority, their only ticket to power, much like the EC is their only ticket to the WH........last two GOP presidents took office after losing the popular vote, which is the only vote that actually matters
Click to expand...

My post said nothing about Democrats or Republicans, only that the redistricting is done by state legislatures (and governor) elected by the voters; so, it is as much the public will as nonpartisan commissions.

But, the South for many years was gerrymandered by the Democratic Party. The Supreme Court's "one person, one vote" doctrine was a result of Democratic abuses in the Southern states. Some states refused to redistrict for many years in order to maintain the status quo.

I also disagree with the statement that gerrymandering is the Republican's only ticket to power because they equal Democratic strength in the Senate and outnumber Democrats in governors (28-22) and state offices. These state-wide offices like senator and governor are not elected from districts; so, no redistricting is involved.

This is not to claim one party is any "better" than the other; only that they both use the power they gained by winning elections to their advantage.

Democrats decry gerrymandering — unless they control the maps

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...y-gerrymandering-unless-they-control-the-maps
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
In the better old days, when you had an issue or opinion to share, your rep would at least acknowledge that you pestered him/her, even if only with a form letter. Now they don't even bother. We have a bipartisan issue ongoing right now in our locale that I wrote to our (R) state rep about. The response? Crickets. The same was true of the (R) U.S. Rep we had back in St. Louis. She was so bad that when a small group of us with the local chapter of the Sierra Club showed up at her local office to talk with her about climate change (which she claims is a hoax), she called the cops on us. It was less than 25 ppl, most of us retired old geezers, with a couple of young moms with tots in tow. My then 15-yo g-daughter was with me. The cops made us going to the back parking lot where we could not be seen by the public passing by on the public road.

Murika!
Click to expand...

While they should be having staffers or IT guys auto respond I blame it more on having the #1 job of getting re-elected every two years their nearly sole priority.

re-election campaigns require limits. that said i'm stumped on just how to do it.
 
Celticguy said:
While they should be having staffers or IT guys auto respond I blame it more on having the #1 job of getting re-elected every two years their nearly sole priority.

re-election campaigns require limits. that said i'm stumped on just how to do it.
Click to expand...

No....the job is keeping wealthy and powerful people happy, because if they do they are set for life regardless of what happens in elections.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
No....the job is keeping wealthy and powerful people happy, because if they do they are set for life regardless of what happens in elections.
Click to expand...

cant make them happy out of office and those rich guys dont care whose name is on the door, only that they are bought. thats why term limits are pointless.
 
Celticguy said:
cant make them happy out of office and those rich guys dont care whose name is on the door, only that they are bought. thats why term limits are pointless.
Click to expand...

Rewarding those who did them service is how they convince the next crowd to ignore you and me and do what the Elite Class wants instead.

"We reward our friends, ask anybody!"
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Predictably, the (R)s are crying and gnashing their teeth over the new districts. Tough. Will they now file court challenges to contest the people's will? We voted this in.
Click to expand...

No they're not. Two dem districts in the metro area have been combined into one. Michigan is losing one rep in Congress and it's going to be a dem rep.
 
BidenPresident said:
The work of the new commission, which includes Democrats, Republicans and independents and was established through a citizen ballot initiative, stands in sharp contrast to the type of hyperpartisan extreme gerrymandering that has swept much of the country, exacerbating political polarization — and it may highlight a potential path to undoing such gerrymandering.

With lawmakers excluded from the mapmaking process, Michigan’s new districts will much more closely reflect the overall partisan makeup of the hotly contested battleground state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/29/us/politics/michigan-congressional-maps.html
Click to expand...

When it comes to the repuke nature of un-Constitutional gerrymandering in order to wage war on fair elections and Democracy, what is wrong with fair democratic gerrymandering. This in order to offset the threat of an un-American repuke insurgency's effort to undermine the will of the majority voter of America?
 
BidenPresident said:
The work of the new commission, which includes Democrats, Republicans and independents and was established through a citizen ballot initiative, stands in sharp contrast to the type of hyperpartisan extreme gerrymandering that has swept much of the country, exacerbating political polarization — and it may highlight a potential path to undoing such gerrymandering.

With lawmakers excluded from the mapmaking process, Michigan’s new districts will much more closely reflect the overall partisan makeup of the hotly contested battleground state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/29/us/politics/michigan-congressional-maps.html
Click to expand...

what a joke.....governor is a demmycrat.....state legislature is Republican.......so to "avoid" politics the dems proposed an "independent" board and put it up for public vote......it gets approved......the panel is created and a board selected by the governor's office is put in place.....

Michigan lost a seat because population declined.......it declined in Wayne County (Detroit).......it grew in Grand Rapids......so where did this new "independent" committee cut a district?.....Grand Rapids, of course.......now the area represented by three Republicans...(Huizenga, Upton, and Meijers) will send two congressmen to Washington.....

the new on left, old on right...

maps.jpg
 
Personally I think Huizenga was targeted.....his district used to go north from where he lived......now it goes south......he probably only kept about 10% of the voters who consider him an incumbent......
 
Guille said:
No they're not. Two dem districts in the metro area have been combined into one. Michigan is losing one rep in Congress and it's going to be a dem rep.
Click to expand...

not necessarily.......they have shifted a lot of Demmycrat votes from the Port Huron area into the Yooper district.......
 
reagansghost said:
if the red states weren't gerrymandered to such an extent, we choose presidents democratically - by popular vote - and had strong voting rights laws.........Democrats would win every presidential by a 55-45 or 60-40 margin, hands down. Today's GOP would be a relic of the past
Click to expand...

lol......some idiots think gerrymandering has an impact on presidential elections........only two states (Maine and Nebraska) divide their electoral votes in any way other than who won the popular vote in that state......
 
Last edited:
Flash said:
How do you determine if a state/district is gerrymandered?
Click to expand...

districts should be determined by a computer based on a program that divides the population into districts with as few corners as possible.......then, don't give the computer any details about how people historically vote.........it would probably take the computer about 11 minutes to set the boundaries......
 
In states with Big Blue maps this is the new mantra, they pretend that this makes it so things are "fair". We'll see. Colorado also has an "independent" mapping committee that set forth a map that moved lines in a way that cemented several blue districts into even more blue. If we see some challenging races for the blue team in CO, I'll be a fan of this system, but from what I've seen so far.. like everything else they say in "newspeak", it appears to do the opposite of what they say it does.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top