Ungerrymandered: Michigan’s Maps, Independently Drawn, Set Up Fair Fight

ThatOwlWoman said:
How would you?
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You would have to know the intent of those drawing the line.

If, for example, you were trying to increase minority districts, you might have to draw a very gerrymandered district if minorities were too spread out. That gerrymander would be more acceptable to liberals but opposed by conservatives as "racial gerrymandering." Is that acceptable redistricting?

Analyses of states with nonpartisan commissions to draw the lines found they often protect incumbents (to give more congressional influence to their state).

My personal opinion is that some gerrymandering is required to give the districts (1) an equal number of residents; (2) partisan and racial/ethnic representation similar to that in the state; (3) maintaining a community of interests.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
districts should be determined by a computer based on a program that divides the population into districts with as few corners as possible.......then, don't give the computer any details about how people historically vote.........it would probably take the computer about 11 minutes to set the boundaries......
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Is the result acceptable if the state is 60% Republican and the computer results in 4/10 Republican districts?
 
BidenPresident said:
The work of the new commission, which includes Democrats, Republicans and independents and was established through a citizen ballot initiative, stands in sharp contrast to the type of hyperpartisan extreme gerrymandering that has swept much of the country, exacerbating political polarization — and it may highlight a potential path to undoing such gerrymandering.

With lawmakers excluded from the mapmaking process, Michigan’s new districts will much more closely reflect the overall partisan makeup of the hotly contested battleground state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/29/us/politics/michigan-congressional-maps.html
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Even the states Republican voters want fair elections


They believed trumps lies that the election was bad



So they want it done fairly


Awesome
 
Damocles said:
In states with Big Blue maps this is the new mantra, they pretend that this makes it so things are "fair". We'll see. Colorado also has an "independent" mapping committee that set forth a map that moved lines in a way that cemented several blue districts into even more blue. If we see some challenging races for the blue team in CO, I'll be a fan of this system, but from what I've seen so far.. like everything else they say in "newspeak", it appears to do the opposite of what they say it does.
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Why?



Because there are MORE Democratic voters


Sorry democracy fucks your bad ideas
 
Like rand Paul pissing his pants that Democrats cheat by convincing voters that the Democratic Party has better ideas
 
Flash said:
You would have to know the intent of those drawing the line.

If, for example, you were trying to increase minority districts, you might have to draw a very gerrymandered district if minorities were too spread out. That gerrymander would be more acceptable to liberals but opposed by conservatives as "racial gerrymandering." Is that acceptable redistricting?

Analyses of states with nonpartisan commissions to draw the lines found they often protect incumbents (to give more congressional influence to their state).

My personal opinion is that some gerrymandering is required to give the districts (1) an equal number of residents; (2) partisan and racial/ethnic representation similar to that in the state; (3) maintaining a community of interests.
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What you described is what happened in California. We took redistricting out of the hands of the politicians and gave it to an independent group. The battle ended up being over this district not having enough Asians, this district having too many Hispanics, this district having too many whites etc.

I know we think of gerrymandering as the more egregious kind done by politicians but to me this still qualifies as gerrymandering. (I don't know, maybe it is not possible to take a state of 40 million, or whatever number, and create districts without taking political registration and race/ethnicity into account.)
 
We made it fair


Now democracy works in California


So Republican fled the state


And made it even more fair
 
Flash said:
Is the result acceptable if the state is 60% Republican and the computer results in 4/10 Republican districts?
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that is irrelevant to the question I was asked and answered.....you know if a district has been drawn fairly when human input is eliminated.......in all other cases it is gerrymandered.......
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
:laugh: :rofl2: :laugh:

Good point. Or come with "Inc." after my name.

Have a happy and healthy New Year, Flash.
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I know we joke about that, but in reality most members of Congress cater to the interests of their constituents. That is one explanation for why Congress is given such a low approval score yet the member re-election rate is 95%.

Most of their staff does casework helping constituents with problems like Social Security, VA benefits, disability, etc. If a staff member is successful in getting your grandmother's SS payments fixed the member has not made any enemies--everyone in the family is grateful for his actions.
 
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Nope, it's a problem when anyone does it. Especially these days, when if you have a rep from the party you didn't vote for, he/she won't even respond to your letters or calls.
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neither Gary Peters or Debbie Stabinaw respond to my emails.......do you think perhaps I should change my opening line from "what the fuck were you thinking when......."
 
PostmodernProphet said:
that is irrelevant to the question I was asked and answered.....you know if a district has been drawn fairly when human input is eliminated.......in all other cases it is gerrymandered.......
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How is it "fair" when the political views of the state are not represented? It is not fair when a state is mostly Republican but most congressional districts are Democratic. Because drawing the lines is nonpartisan is not the same as fair.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
neither Gary Peters or Debbie Stabinaw respond to my emails.......do you think perhaps I should change my opening line from "what the fuck were you thinking when......."
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:rofl2:

I dunno, it does have the ring of honesty about it. But then they're DCites; they don't care much for honesty.

Up here we have some millionaire asshole who owns 5,000 acres between where we live and Marquette. He is trying to sell it to a developer who wants to create a vertical rocket launch site there. The property used to have a working farm. It also includes two world-class trout streams (the Little and Big Garlic Rivers) that empty into the Lake. It is pristine, mostly wilderness. The developer has already indicated that it won't employ more than perhaps a dozen FT workers, most of them maintenance and/or security.

We belong to group opposing this project. I wrote to our state rep., who is Republiqan. He never even bothered to respond with a form letter. It's not a partisan issue. In fact, many of the ppl who would have to evacuate down there during a launch are wealthy and Republiqan too -- and *they* oppose it as well.
 
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