Unless you're bleeding or dying....

apple0154 said:
There are a number of ways but my point is we can build houses, or shelter, for the poor if we want.



I have no problem with that as long as the poor have food.
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by arbitrarily just providing food and shelter for people who don't have it, you inevitably grow the pool of people who don't have it that see an easy way to have it by not working to obtain it for themselves.

Is dependency your objective?
 
apple0154 said:
There are a number of ways but my point is we can build houses, or shelter, for the poor if we want.
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There is no way that I know of, to take private property and use it for your own purposes, in this case, to house the homeless. The only way it can be done, is to violate the 4th Amendment and seize it illegally. Is that what you are proposing we allow the government to do?

And people build houses for the poor all the time, it's called Habitat for Humanity... a big Jimmy Carter initiative. This isn't done by the government, but by volunteers and people taking care of each other, the way they should.

I have no problem with that as long as the poor have food.
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Again, if the poor don't have food, there are dozens of places they can go. The Salvation Army provides food, clothing, and shelter, for people in every major American city. Sacred Heart Ministries runs the Good Samaritan program, does the same thing for poor people. These things can (and are) handled by charity groups already out there, we have no need for the government to steal people's money to ease your guilty conscience for not doing your part. Get off your ass and go help someone with your own money, and stop trying to steal mine to help them.
 
Dixie said:
There is no way that I know of, to take private property and use it for your own purposes, in this case, to house the homeless. The only way it can be done, is to violate the 4th Amendment and seize it illegally. Is that what you are proposing we allow the government to do?

And people build houses for the poor all the time, it's called Habitat for Humanity... a big Jimmy Carter initiative. This isn't done by the government, but by volunteers and people taking care of each other, the way they should.



Again, if the poor don't have food, there are dozens of places they can go. The Salvation Army provides food, clothing, and shelter, for people in every major American city. Sacred Heart Ministries runs the Good Samaritan program, does the same thing for poor people. These things can (and are) handled by charity groups already out there, we have no need for the government to steal people's money to ease your guilty conscience for not doing your part. Get off your ass and go help someone with your own money, and stop trying to steal mine to help them.
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One of the guys that I ride with got in touch with several food banks and he now goes weekly to pick up excess donations, before they spoil, and several of us are passing out bread, cereal, chips, and anything else we can get, to biker families, who have children, who are in need.
He also hooked up with a charity group and they bring him, me, and another ridding buddy, at least 20 food boxes that we deliver to needy biker families.
We're also donating items to a women's abuse shelter, that is just down the street from my buddy's tattoo shop.

We found a need and found a way to at least help those who we could.

He is currently looking for a building that he can buy, so we can use it as a warehouse; because he ends up having to pass up things that he can't store and sort.

If he can find the building he can use, he intends to put in for a 501C, or at least I think that's what it's called.

So my question is this:
What are other unfortunet people doing, to help themselves and each other; because the food banks that my buddy goes to, have said that they've had to dispose of some of the donated items they get; because they can't find enough people OR ORGANIZATIONS to give it to.

This is why we're planning on expanding our little venture and intending to hopefully become one of the largest food banks, in our area.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
by arbitrarily just providing food and shelter for people who don't have it, you inevitably grow the pool of people who don't have it that see an easy way to have it by not working to obtain it for themselves.

Is dependency your objective?
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Whose objective would be to have minimal food and shelter?

I find it strange when some people talk about human nature and how people will become lazy and not strive for better when human nature is exactly the opposite.

Healthy people want to improve their lives. At least to the point they are relatively independent. Human nature is not to be subservient to others so the objective of people requiring help is to get a hand up so they can obtain their objective of independence.

The problem is help is not given until one has lost their self-respect and initiative and then the help is so miserly given it does nothing to encourage people. It becomes a full time job just trying to survive on welfare/assistance.

It becomes a vicious circle. Those who have had to scratch and scrape their way expect others to do so. Why should someone receive help when they didn't?

The cycle has to be broken.
 
I am confused about Apple's inconsistency.......the poor are obviously abused and unloved.......why are you clamoring for people to help them instead of insisting we kill them off?......
 
Dixie said:
There is no way that I know of, to take private property and use it for your own purposes, in this case, to house the homeless. The only way it can be done, is to violate the 4th Amendment and seize it illegally. Is that what you are proposing we allow the government to do?
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There are many properties in depressed areas of cities where houses are dirt cheap. The government can purchase a few and do modest renovations. Even a rooming house is preferable to sleeping on the street.

Again, if the poor don't have food, there are dozens of places they can go. The Salvation Army provides food, clothing, and shelter, for people in every major American city. Sacred Heart Ministries runs the Good Samaritan program, does the same thing for poor people. These things can (and are) handled by charity groups already out there, we have no need for the government to steal people's money to ease your guilty conscience for not doing your part. Get off your ass and go help someone with your own money, and stop trying to steal mine to help them.
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If you're donating to charity like you claim why the objection to pooling it with others on a national scale? How do you know which family has the greatest requirement? What thrill do you get from helping only those you choose?
 
Unless you're bleeding or dying....

IF you WERE bleeding or dying, there's a good chance you would have been UNable to disturb mommy...

Mommy wasn't neglecting her obligation as a parent for you, she was doing it for herSELF...If you had bled to death, mommy would have plenty of time for soap operas...in prison.

It explains your bankrupt character, your mass insecurities and your bed wetting...
 
apple0154 said:
Whose objective would be to have minimal food and shelter?

I find it strange when some people talk about human nature and how people will become lazy and not strive for better when human nature is exactly the opposite.

Healthy people want to improve their lives. At least to the point they are relatively independent. Human nature is not to be subservient to others so the objective of people requiring help is to get a hand up so they can obtain their objective of independence.

The problem is help is not given until one has lost their self-respect and initiative and then the help is so miserly given it does nothing to encourage people. It becomes a full time job just trying to survive on welfare/assistance.

It becomes a vicious circle. Those who have had to scratch and scrape their way expect others to do so. Why should someone receive help when they didn't?

The cycle has to be broken.
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Puh-leaze!

any government program designed to 'help' the poor is ultimately set up so that any attempt to better ones life immediately puts them in a income bracket that is higher than that which qualifies them for aid, putting them right back in the poor and homeless category, which is where the government wants them. dependent.
 
"Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money." George Carlin

One small Carlin quote pretty much sums up the hypocrisy of the right.


"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." Dom Helder Camara
 
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"Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money." George Carlin
boy do I miss this man
 
What do you think Mark Twaain was you fucking idiot.

Its better than getting your advice from a guy who pretends to be a family man while he visits airport bathrooms to suck dick because his whole life is a fucking lie.
 
Mark Twain was a writer who also commented on politics, you fucking idiot. George Carlin was a comedian and the line quoted is from one of his acts.:palm:
 
Bfgrn said:
Unless you're bleeding or dying....

IF you WERE bleeding or dying, there's a good chance you would have been UNable to disturb mommy...

Mommy wasn't neglecting her obligation as a parent for you, she was doing it for herSELF...If you had bled to death, mommy would have plenty of time for soap operas...in prison.

It explains your bankrupt character, your mass insecurities and your bed wetting...
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It explains why I don't have the mindset that government should be taking care of my every need. It explains why I face challenges and adversity with determination, and don't look to government to bail me out.

If "ifs and buts" were "candy and nuts" we'd all have a Merry Christmas. None of us bled to death or died, we all managed to find a way to live through it, and survive.
 
apple0154 said:
There are many properties in depressed areas of cities where houses are dirt cheap. The government can purchase a few and do modest renovations. Even a rooming house is preferable to sleeping on the street.
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I don't know, I had rather sleep in the street than in a shack with a crack head. How are you going to keep the gangs, drug dealers, and addicts, out of the house? Hire more cops? Are we going to pay a full-time staff to oversee the place? If not, you're going to have busted out windows and holes in the walls. Is someone going to be responsible for turning off the lights, or are we just going to eat whatever power bill they happen to run up? You see, in this pie-in-sky idea you've come up with in your limp noodle of a brain, you haven't given the first thought to the unintended consequences, or problems you might encounter. It's easy to fantasize like you're 10-years-old, but the real world doesn't operate that way.

If you're donating to charity like you claim why the objection to pooling it with others on a national scale? How do you know which family has the greatest requirement? What thrill do you get from helping only those you choose?
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Because I don't need to "pool with others" to help people. If you want to help people, you are more than free to do so! No one will stop you! I know which family has the greatest need because I talk to them and get to know them on a personal level, something the government is incapable of ever doing. I am diligent, so I know my resources are being put to good use and not wasted or squandered. I don't get a "thrill" from helping others, I get fulfillment from knowing I made a difference. When the government steals 35% of my paycheck, and I turn on the news to see where we are giving billions to Africa to teach males how to put condoms on bananas, my thoughts are, I could have done so much more with that money. I'm not fulfilled at all, I am angered and upset at how my money was wasted.
 
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