US Capitol Police Capt. Michael Byrd, who fatally shot unarmed J6 protester Ashli Babbitt w/o warning

Nordberg said:
The mob was breaking through a door that was between the mob and the politicians. The cop was doing his job by protecting the politicians, even the Trumpies and righties. That's it. He did his job. His actions were reviewed. He was cleared.
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Only by the Capitol Police and Democrats who control them because to do otherwise would go against the political narrative they wanted to make public.
 
QP! said:
they were a tactical team racing to provide back up and were not in the line of sight of the door yet. You can watch the video of their approach. i have.

You cannot arrest a mob who is surging all around as every Capital Cop pointed out. ONce the mob surges into an area where they surround the cops, as Ashley was about to do, all the cops weapons become the mobs weapons, which is why the Capital police refused to use or pull their guns once surrounded saying the mob would take them and use that as an excuse to kill them.
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Oh gee I see them in the vicinity of Babbitt. And they were the first to come to Babbitt's aid and they were not afraid of the crowd like Byrd was. Byrd panicked and murdered Babbitt. It was very reckless to fire a weapon in their general direction. Byrd is a murdering moron.

 
T. A. Gardner said:
Watch the goddamned videos again. There are THREE (3) officers directly behind Babbitt when she starts through the window. They are all up against the hallway wall.
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Yes they are winding down the hall coming from behind her. I have seen multiple times.

They were NOT in eye shot of the cop who shot her yet.

And i just watched it again and i am still right. Also i will sleep a bit better tonight having seen it again. A joyous event watching law and order at its finest.
 
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FastLane said:
Oh gee I see them in the vicinity of Babbitt. And they were the first to come to Babbitt's aid and they were not afraid of the crowd like Byrd was. Byrd panicked and murdered Babbitt. It was very reckless to fire a weapon in their general direction. Byrd is a murdering moron.

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if you have Trumps personal security detail moving thru a crowd with out Trump, they will be far less concerned and less apt to shoot anyone who approached them, then if they are protecting Trump and people try to march on him, armed or not, while refusing instructions to stop.

I invite you and Terry to try it. Really. Just be unarmed and march right at him at some event and refuse any orders to stop. If you are not armed you will be fine and they will let you get right up beside Trump. Trust me. Try it. And take to your grave how not brave the detail was as they shoot you.
 
QP! said:
Yes they are winding down the hall coming from behind her. I have seen multiple times.

They were NOT in eye shot of the cop who shot her yet.
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That's true, because Byrd was hiding inside an office on the other side of the doors. He never steps out into the hallway but rather shoots Babbitt from his position inside the doorway of that office. He then fled the scene. You don't see him after he fires doing anything to assist other officers or control the protesters.
 
AProudLefty said:
They were not the target. The Congress people were.
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MAGA traitors don't care about the truth. They only believe what their Orange Jesus tells them to believe.

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QP! said:
if you have Trumps personal security detail moving thru a crowd with out Trump, they will be far less concerned and less apt to shoot anyone who approached them, then if they are protecting Trump and people try to march on him, armed or not, while refusing instructions to stop.

I invite you and Terry to try it. Really. Just be unarmed and march right at him at some event and refuse any orders to stop. If you are not armed you will be fine and they will let you get right up beside Trump. Trust me. Try it. And take to your grave how not brave the detail was as they shoot you.
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The LEO behind Babbitt clearly were in afraid of the crowd but Byrd was terrified.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's true, because Byrd was hiding inside an office on the other side of the doors. He never steps out into the hallway but rather shoots Babbitt from his position inside the doorway of that office. He then fled the scene. You don't see him after he fires doing anything to assist other officers or control the protesters.
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QED on MAGA traitors.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's true, because Byrd was hiding inside an office on the other side of the doors. He never steps out into the hallway but rather shoots Babbitt from his position inside the doorway of that office. He then fled the scene. You don't see him after he fires doing anything to assist other officers or control the protesters.
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Just as Trump and his detail ran to a car and away and did not try and go and aide the shooter.

Funny how it works when a security detail retreats with their charges as opposed to rendering aid to the aggressor.

You would think Terry is brand new on how security details work in active mob scene.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's true, because Byrd was hiding inside an office on the other side of the doors. He never steps out into the hallway but rather shoots Babbitt from his position inside the doorway of that office. He then fled the scene. You don't see him after he fires doing anything to assist other officers or control the protesters.
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There was no need to control the violent mob after the gun fire. They got the message.

I notice that you called them protestors. Nice little gaslighting there.
 
QP! said:
if you have Trumps personal security detail moving thru a crowd with out Trump, they will be far less concerned and less apt to shoot anyone who approached them, then if they are protecting Trump and people try to march on him, armed or not, while refusing instructions to stop.

I invite you and Terry to try it. Really. Just be unarmed and march right at him at some event and refuse any orders to stop. If you are not armed you will be fine and they will let you get right up beside Trump. Trust me. Try it. And take to your grave how not brave the detail was as they shoot you.
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This is a variant of the Homunculus Argument. You are attempting to define the rules of engagement using abstract examples and specifics that don't actually exist.

This is the federal Use of Force model that is in use when Byrd shot Babbitt. He was required to follow it as all federal law enforcement officers were.

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Babbitt was somewhere between green and yellow (resistant) on that scale. Byrd's correct action was to move into the hallway, be visible to Babbitt and issue clear commands to her. He did none of that. Babbitt wasn't assaulting or about to assault anyone and there was no one present that she represented an immediate threat to. There were other police officers visible to him next to Babbitt or very close to her.

Byrd failed to follow his training--not the first time either--and shot her illegally. Because of the optics of Jan 6, the Capitol Police in collusion with their Democrat bosses conspired to sweep the matter under the rug. I get that.

None of that exonerates Babbitt. What she was doing was wrong. But she shouldn't have died for it. Byrd was, and is, a fuck up as a police officer.
 
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