US falls to average in education ranking

US falls to average in education ranking
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Well, I guess we need to stop letting liberals run a completely liberal system of liberal indoctrination and political correctness, and call it 'education' for our children, huh?

Maybe if we took our kids out of the liberal indoctrination camps and educated them ourselves on the basic fundamentals, they might actually improve in their grade averages. Or maybe if we allowed competition through a 'vouchers' program, so that schools would be motivated to actually TEACH children?

As it stands, you and about half the country, are sucking the ass of a donkey who keeps carrying the teachers unions on its back. It's more important to your precious political party, to blindly support the cronyism and incompetency in the public school system, than to demand excellence in education for our kids. Democrat Liberals winning power, and maintaining full control of the indoctrination of our youth, is FAR more important to you than actually doing something to improve the education system.
 
Dixie said:
Well, I guess we need to stop letting liberals run a completely liberal system of liberal indoctrination and political correctness, and call it 'education' for our children, huh?

Maybe if we took our kids out of the liberal indoctrination camps and educated them ourselves on the basic fundamentals, they might actually improve in their grade averages. Or maybe if we allowed competition through a 'vouchers' program, so that schools would be motivated to actually TEACH children?

As it stands, you and about half the country, are sucking the ass of a donkey who keeps carrying the teachers unions on its back. It's more important to your precious political party, to blindly support the cronyism and incompetency in the public school system, than to demand excellence in education for our kids. Democrat Liberals winning power, and maintaining full control of the indoctrination of our youth, is FAR more important to you than actually doing something to improve the education system.
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charter schools mostly work well, but what really works is parental involvement (make sure of attendance, homework getting done, working as aides in classes, etc.)
 
Schadenfreude said:
charter schools mostly work well, but what really works is parental involvement (make sure of attendance, homework getting done, working as aides in classes, etc.)
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No doubt we do need more parental involvement, and this would help the situation greatly, but it's not to be confused with a reason to justify continuing the dysfunctional and broken education system we currently have. Just about ANY alternative to public education, results in a better education for the child. I luckily managed to get all 3 of my children through public school, but the youngest one, I had to literally re-teach history through her junior and senior years, because what they taught her in school was just plain inadequate and full of distorted perspective. If I had a kid in school today, there is NO WAY that I could let them stay in public school. As we speak, we are currently destroying an entire generation of our youth, who will leave high school, effectively illiterate. This is where liberalism has taken our education, to a somewhat glorified day care and meat market for pedophiles. The system has completely failed, yet here we have a liberal daring to stand up and demand we pour more tax dollars into this mess. Not on your life, pinhead!

http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/

Here is a place (private sector business) which has emerged as a success in educating children. They currently do so through a "tutoring" program, but it is essentially teaching. Why can't we have an education system which would enable a private sector company like Sylvan, to actually build schools and give kids primary and secondary education? We could even take all the money saved from tax dollars not being spent to build schools and pay worthless tenured teachers, and write every parent of a student a check to help pay for the cost! In the end, we would have much better educated kids, and none of those pesky "school" problems we have routinely now. But again, you support a party that is beholden to the teacher's lobby and teacher's unions, and simply will not even entertain an alternative idea to this failure of a system we currently have, their answer is to throw another trillion dollars at it, and see what happens then?
 
Dixie said:
No doubt we do need more parental involvement, and this would help the situation greatly, but it's not to be confused with a reason to justify continuing the dysfunctional and broken education system we currently have. Just about ANY alternative to public education, results in a better education for the child. I luckily managed to get all 3 of my children through public school, but the youngest one, I had to literally re-teach history through her junior and senior years, because what they taught her in school was just plain inadequate and full of distorted perspective. If I had a kid in school today, there is NO WAY that I could let them stay in public school. As we speak, we are currently destroying an entire generation of our youth, who will leave high school, effectively illiterate. This is where liberalism has taken our education, to a somewhat glorified day care and meat market for pedophiles. The system has completely failed, yet here we have a liberal daring to stand up and demand we pour more tax dollars into this mess. Not on your life, pinhead!

http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/

Here is a place (private sector business) which has emerged as a success in educating children. They currently do so through a "tutoring" program, but it is essentially teaching. Why can't we have an education system which would enable a private sector company like Sylvan, to actually build schools and give kids primary and secondary education? We could even take all the money saved from tax dollars not being spent to build schools and pay worthless tenured teachers, and write every parent of a student a check to help pay for the cost! In the end, we would have much better educated kids, and none of those pesky "school" problems we have routinely now. But again, you support a party that is beholden to the teacher's lobby and teacher's unions, and simply will not even entertain an alternative idea to this failure of a system we currently have, their answer is to throw another trillion dollars at it, and see what happens then?
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You are falling into the same trap as countless others who are blind to reality and simply look for and expect simple solutions.
Why on earth should we all make this distinction between what you call 'public' schools and the private sector?
State schools (public: Am) are often of a lower quality because politicians/governments will not allocate sufficient resources. Don't send your children to fee paying schools, demand that your representatives support equal education for everyone.
That is by far the best investment for the future of everyone in every country. Today's children are going to look after us by their policies and governance. It is they who will drive the country and it is we who will benefit. It is crazy to expect them to pay for the priviledge of helping us!
Get out onto the street and demand a fair education policy. Break down the barriers and let your best people rise to the top - not the silver spoon fed sons and daughters of the corrupt and famous.
 
Lowaicue said:
You are falling into the same trap as countless others who are blind to reality and simply look for and expect simple solutions.
Why on earth should we all make this distinction between what you call 'public' schools and the private sector?
State schools (public: Am) are often of a lower quality because politicians/governments will not allocate sufficient resources. Don't send your children to fee paying schools, demand that your representatives support equal education for everyone.
That is by far the best investment for the future of everyone in every country. Today's children are going to look after us by their policies and governance. It is they who will drive the country and it is we who will benefit. It is crazy to expect them to pay for the priviledge of helping us!
Get out onto the street and demand a fair education policy. Break down the barriers and let your best people rise to the top - not the silver spoon fed sons and daughters of the corrupt and famous.
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the high school that i graduated from is a good example of 'good' schools for the wealthier, it cost 6 million to build (this was in 1960) and was staffed by some of the best teachers in the LAUSD

it is called Palisades High and located in the pacific palisades, ca
 
Lowaicue said:
Reinventing the loser is the answer. For years you have lived with the nonsense that children must not lose. You have invented phrases such as 'first runner up' (basically you lost), 'second runner up' (you really lost), and 'third runner up' (you need help to pick your own nose).
Your exams are designed to be passed by trained rabbits all in the name of equality and 'being niceness'. That must cease. Uniforms should be introduced at every school. Discipline should be enforced properly - where else in the world do schools have police??? You need widespread parental education and punishment of parents of wayward children.
Money is not the answer although without it dothing much can be done.
A new mindset is the answer so all you have to do is find someone with a mind!
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Maybe.
 
One possible reform would be to pay students for studying. They did this study last year, and while directly paying kids for good grades is useless, cash incentives for reading books, or for attendance and good behavior, do produce positive results. That's one possible place we could put money to get better education, although obviously it's not some miracle solution.
 
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Superfreak said:
This is what happens when you let unions run things. They screw things up and then shout 'we need more money'.
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What would you know about unions? You don't know that first fucking thing about them. You're just resentful that a working class person has the unmitigated gall to expect to have a standard of living and quality of life equal to or greater then yours, never minding the fact that most of them produce far more then you ever have.
 
Dixie said:
No doubt we do need more parental involvement, and this would help the situation greatly, but it's not to be confused with a reason to justify continuing the dysfunctional and broken education system we currently have. Just about ANY alternative to public education, results in a better education for the child. I luckily managed to get all 3 of my children through public school, but the youngest one, I had to literally re-teach history through her junior and senior years, because what they taught her in school was just plain inadequate and full of distorted perspective. If I had a kid in school today, there is NO WAY that I could let them stay in public school. As we speak, we are currently destroying an entire generation of our youth, who will leave high school, effectively illiterate. This is where liberalism has taken our education, to a somewhat glorified day care and meat market for pedophiles. The system has completely failed, yet here we have a liberal daring to stand up and demand we pour more tax dollars into this mess. Not on your life, pinhead!

http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/

Here is a place (private sector business) which has emerged as a success in educating children. They currently do so through a "tutoring" program, but it is essentially teaching. Why can't we have an education system which would enable a private sector company like Sylvan, to actually build schools and give kids primary and secondary education? We could even take all the money saved from tax dollars not being spent to build schools and pay worthless tenured teachers, and write every parent of a student a check to help pay for the cost! In the end, we would have much better educated kids, and none of those pesky "school" problems we have routinely now. But again, you support a party that is beholden to the teacher's lobby and teacher's unions, and simply will not even entertain an alternative idea to this failure of a system we currently have, their answer is to throw another trillion dollars at it, and see what happens then?
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If you require your kids spend extra time after class studying with a private tutor, obviously they're going to do better in class. It has nothing to do with the fact that it's a private company.
 
Liberty said:
This is also because of the "Department of Education".
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Yea..if it wasn't for them these kids would be learning important concepts like ID Creationism, science denial, how scientist and mathematicians are subhuman geeks and then you could put money into truly important educational subjects, like football and basketball, instead of hiring qualified science educators at market value. You could then do away with godless atheistic classes like biology and chemistry and allow those kdis to pray their empty little heads off.

You're an idiot if you think the Dept. of Education has anything to do with this declline. Hell if anything they deserve all sorts of credit for slowing the decline and preventing it from being worse then it is.

The real fault lies with all those parents who hold Michael Jordan as a greater role model then Stephen J. Gould or Allen Turing. I don't care how much money you put into education or how great the teachers are, as long as mouth breathing parents teach their kids to focus on really important subjects like basketball and football we will continue to see these declines.

Put the fault where it really belongs. The parents of our kids.
 
callinectes said:
1. What did you expect with "progressives" having a death grip around the neck of our education system?
2. The "No Child Left Behind Act", which you seem to have nothing but disdain for, was penned primarily by Ted Kennedy at the behest of George Bush.
3. A personal anecdote from my own school daze: The eighth grade was the most difficult year for me. We had moved to a bad suburb of Washinton D.C., and the schools had a (well deserved) sinister reputation. My parents enrolled my sister and I in a local Catholic school. BIG culture shock after 7 years of public school! I immediately fell far behind. By the end of the year, I was not at the top of the list or anything like that, but I was doing above average work and it was actually interesting and challenging. It was absolutely amazing what a stereotypical rap on the knuckles with a ruler or an open-handed slap in the back of the head by a bride of Christ can accomplish. Try something like that in a classroom today and you find yourself in jail. BTW, I look back on that year with nothing but love and respect for those educators. They taught me discipline and, oddly enough, respect for myself and my capabilities.
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Yes, it would be apparent after reading this that indeed you would have found the 8th grade quite difficult indeed.
 
My question is, "Do ALL 15 year olds in every country take this test?" I know that in Germany only children on the Gymnasium track take the test, so not EVERY 15 year old in Germany does not take this test. In the US EVERY kid takes the test. Under NCLB, even kids with learning disabilities take the test. I know this because my brother is a high school teacher and the special ed kids take the tests. If we tracked kids and then just let our top tier take the exams we would do better against the other countries.
 
Schadenfreude said:
not in colleges - when i took advanced math (even intermediate) there was no gentleman's "C" - you made the grade or you dropped out and changed majors and according to my granddaughter that is the way it is now, then there is "O" chemistry
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Yup, that's the way it was when I was in college. Math and O-Chem were flunk out courses.
 
Schadenfreude said:
charter schools mostly work well, but what really works is parental involvement (make sure of attendance, homework getting done, working as aides in classes, etc.)
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Exactly! I mean no disrespect to my teachers and professors, I had some great ones but not one of them had even remotely as much influence on the quality and caliber of education I received as my parents did.

Right Wing nuts drive me insane on education cause they want to use local control to instute their religiously driven anti-intellectual, anti-science agenda and then when low test scores in science and math become a self fulffing prophecy they want to blame some imaginary liberal bogey man instead of laying the blame where it squarely belongs. Themselves.

To the cons I have this to say about falling test scores in science and math...WTF! Isn't this what you wanted?
 
Socrtease said:
My question is, "Do ALL 15 year olds in every country take this test?" I know that in Germany only children on the Gymnasium track take the test, so not EVERY 15 year old in Germany does not take this test. In the US EVERY kid takes the test. Under NCLB, even kids with learning disabilities take the test. I know this because my brother is a high school teacher and the special ed kids take the tests. If we tracked kids and then just let our top tier take the exams we would do better against the other countries.
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That's a good question. Are they comparing apples to apples?

I know when you get to the University Level our science and technology majors are doing just as well as theirs do.
 
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