US stocks fall sharply and Dow tumbles 1,100 points after the Fed hints at just 2 rate cuts for 2025

The problem is "free money" is going to lead to inflation, and a bad recession. We all know it, but trump will do it anyway.
You sound very Austrian there, I like it.

We had a ZIRP policy from 2008 - 2015. Why did that not lead to inflation?

We had a ZIRP policy from the start of COVID through 2022. As I understand your world, Biden calling inflation transitory and leaving rates too low for too long during that time period contributed strongly to the inflation we experienced. Why do you think Biden did that? You think Trump won't learn from Biden's mistake?
 
Nah, not doing it.
trump is rather insistent on not spending a year and a half more with Powell. Part of the reason the stock market reacted so severely to Powell saying no to trump is that trump is bound to make a constitutional crisis out of it.

Don't get me wrong. I certainly hope that trump comes to his senses, but I would not count on it.
 
trump is rather insistent on not spending a year and a half more with Powell. Part of the reason the stock market reacted so severely to Powell saying no to trump is that trump is bound to make a constitutional crisis out of it.

Don't get me wrong. I certainly hope that trump comes to his senses, but I would not count on it.
He already said he’s not doing it (replacing him). It was typical Trump bluster and he walked it back. Powell isn’t going anywhere.

Are you disappointed? Do you not like his performance? (Well in your world it seems the President determines interest rates so the Fed Chair is just a figure head anyway right?)
 
In fairness, the only ROTC person involved in Kent State was one of the victims. The perpetrators were National Guardsmen, not in college. In fact, the reason they were in the National Guard is they could not get a college deferment from the draft.

William Knox Schroeder had volunteered for the US Army, and was in ROTC. He was getting his college education at Kent State University, with an emphasis on learning Vietnamese so he could serve in Vietnam. He was walking between classes when the National Guard opened up firing on students, and he was shot. He was 382 feet away from the nearest National Guardsman.

Sometimes life is like that.
That was an ironic tragedy for sure. I know ROTC wasn't responsible for the deaths. The students were in the process of burning down the ROTC shack on campus when the Guard was called in. In essence, ROTC was equated with the war, and anyone involved was part of the problem.
 
The problem is "free money" is going to lead to inflation, and a bad recession. We all know it, but trump will do it anyway.
Which is exactly what the Fed. knows. Hell...I'd love to see them raise rates again and I'll go right back into the bond market. I'm still holding a handful paying more than 5%, but most of my higher earning ones were called.
 
He already said he’s not doing it (replacing him).
trump has said a lot of different things about it. Sometimes he says Powell is the greatest enemy to the USA, and must be executed. Other times he says that he did not "think" Powell will "have to be" removed early. trump did leave the caveat in "especially if I thought he was doing the right thing." That was back when Powell was predicting a full point drop in rates, which trump thought was the minimum. It now looks like much less, which trump does not think is the right thing.

Part of the odd part about this is that trump feels he is the greatest expert on the economy, and should have absolute control over every part of it. he uses words like "treason" for those who disagree with him.

It was typical Trump bluster and he walked it back.
Hitler was the same way. It is a technique to make the unacceptable acceptable. They advance, then retreat, and advance again. Every advance makes it all seem more acceptable.

Powell isn’t going anywhere.
So you say. At the very least, there will be constant sniping on the Fed, which will cost the economy dearly. Maybe before, but certainly by 2026, there will be an extremely inflationary new Fed Chair installed. None of this is good.
 
That was an ironic tragedy for sure. I know ROTC wasn't responsible for the deaths. The students were in the process of burning down the ROTC shack on campus when the Guard was called in. In essence, ROTC was equated with the war, and anyone involved was part of the problem.
Common misconception. A former ROTC building that had been abandoned several years before did burn down, but there is no reason to believe that the students did it. Most of the students would not have known it was ever a ROTC building.

The greatest irony was that the National Guardsmen were attempting to avoid the Vietnam War, and shot a young man volunteering for the Vietnam War.... Though he would not have gotten his education in time to serve in it anyway.

The whole thing was irony.
 
trump has said a lot of different things about it. Sometimes he says Powell is the greatest enemy to the USA, and must be executed. Other times he says that he did not "think" Powell will "have to be" removed early. trump did leave the caveat in "especially if I thought he was doing the right thing." That was back when Powell was predicting a full point drop in rates, which trump thought was the minimum. It now looks like much less, which trump does not think is the right thing.

Part of the odd part about this is that trump feels he is the greatest expert on the economy, and should have absolute control over every part of it. he uses words like "treason" for those who disagree with him.


Hitler was the same way. It is a technique to make the unacceptable acceptable. They advance, then retreat, and advance again. Every advance makes it all seem more acceptable.


So you say. At the very least, there will be constant sniping on the Fed, which will cost the economy dearly. Maybe before, but certainly by 2026, there will be an extremely inflationary new Fed Chair installed. None of this is good.
If he removes Powell prior to his time expiring come talk to me.

Otherwise you have no principle in your position here via a vis the Fed. Just a bunch of partisan rhetoric. To each his own I suppose.
 
Which is exactly what the Fed. knows. Hell...I'd love to see them raise rates again and I'll go right back into the bond market. I'm still holding a handful paying more than 5%, but most of my higher earning ones were called.
I try not to give investing advice, but I do try to give people another point of view. The bond market does make sense, but I just want to give you the counter argument.

It is often wrongly thought the only way you can lose money on the bond market is if the bonds default. Actually you can lose a lot of inflation adjusted money if there is high inflation. A lot of people bought bonds at 4% during the 1960's, only to see a decade of double digit inflation during the 1970's. You can lose half the value of your investment in such a situation.

We all had opportunities to lock in 5% interest rates for many years in either bonds or CD's. With trump possibly giving us double digit inflation, I am glad I avoided that.

Another danger is if you need the money early, and interest rates rise after you bought the bonds. You must make up the difference to the buyer of your lower interest rates. A lot of banks have low interest rate bonds on their books they are just praying they do not have to sell before maturity.

Again, just something to think about. Bonds are often a very good investment, especially if you can get them at a high.
 
If he removes Powell prior to his time expiring come talk to me.
There are two problems before we even get to that point. First, trump's threats are spooking the market. Second, trump's threats are normalizing the threats. Not to mention the very real effect on the Fed that the threats have.
 
There are two problems before we even get to that point. First, trump's threats are spooking the market. Second, trump's threats are normalizing the threats. Not to mention the very real effect on the Fed that the threats have.
Too funny. You're claiming we're going back to the ZIRP days yet Powell is here saying inflation is still a factor and the market is projecting only two rate cuts next year. So which is it my Austrian friend.
 
We had a ZIRP policy from 2008 - 2015. Why did that not lead to inflation?
The reason it was put in place was to counter act the deflation by causing inflation... And it worked. Inflation rose to almost 2%, where we wanted it. It did not work as well as we wanted it to, but there is a lot of stickiness in inflation and deflation.

We had a ZIRP policy from the start of COVID through 2022.
You mean through 2021, not through 2022. And that did cause inflation.
 
Like Legina, I think something tragic happened to him which derailed his career plans. He claims to have a Masters in Psychology and, IIRC, he even worked in the field for a short period of time before tragedy struck.

He never stated the nature of the tragedy but, like Legina, while I believe he's above average in intelligence, he obviously has mental issues. It could be adult-onset schizophrenia or something like a DUI accident with TBI or paralysis.
I really cannot judge how someone else reacts to a tragedy, but I can say I have had several tragedies in my life, and have bounced back. The point is to always keep trying. I know it is easy to retreat into a cocoon and quit, but you have got to keep trying.

And you are never too old (nor too young) to try. Kissinger died at 100 having just completed his second book on AI. In his mid-90's he started studying AI, and wrote two poignant books on it.
 
Too funny. You're claiming we're going back to the ZIRP days yet Powell is here saying inflation is still a factor and the market is projecting only two rate cuts next year. So which is it my Austrian friend.
I am basically Keynesian. trump wants ZIRP. Powell wants the lowest that will avoid inflation, so probably somewhere around 2.9%... But only slowly going there. We are flying blind, so Powell's caution makes a lot of sense.

In the end we want the highest growth possible with 2% inflation.
 
I am basically Keynesian. trump wants ZIRP. Powell wants the lowest that will avoid inflation, so probably somewhere around 2.9%... But only slowly going there. We are flying blind, so Powell's caution makes a lot of sense.

In the end we want the highest growth possible with 2% inflation.
A bunch of liberals were all over Powell to lower rates the past two years because they were more concerned about employment than inflation. As stated previously, doves and hawks don't neatly fall into partisan camps.

Powell fvcked up declaring inflation transitory and he does not want his legacy to be comparable to Arthur Burns. He will not just drop rates because people on the left and right want him to.
 
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