VERDICT!

poet said:
Hate speech isn't covered by the first amendment. I hate racists, bigots and homophobes, not freedom of speech. Talk about something substantive and/or relative, and I don't have a problem. Reasserting your white privilege, oh hell no.
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I can empathize with you being upset, but you are dishonoring Martin's death by your actions. Accept the verdict and move on. Justice was done. Zimmerman received a fair trial. The prosecution presented what they thought were their best facts and were unable to convince a jury.
 
poet said:
See...it's not ok to follow people. You're not law enforcement or the FBI. And BS. The normal response is to be wanting to be left the fuck alone.
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What's the normal response to being attacked and having your head slammed into the ground by a thug?
 
poet said:
Hate speech isn't covered by the first amendment. I hate racists, bigots and homophobes, not freedom of speech. Talk about something substantive and/or relative, and I don't have a problem. Reasserting your white privilege, oh hell no.
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Prove this is hate speech.

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And tell the class what race I am.
 
poet said:
And had someone been following/stalking me, I might have done the same.
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Better tell your fellow race-baiting crybaby:

christiefan915 said:
I'm with you, no physical violence against GZ.

I think people should organize into a group of watchers and followers. Every time GZ leaves the house, he gets followed. When he goes into a store, someone follows, when he leaves for his job someone follows, when he walks his dog someone follows. If GZ turn to look at the follower, that person puts cell phone to ear as if making a call. If GZ looks at the follower, that person pats his pocket as if to indicate a concealed carry weapon.

Let's see how the creepy-assed cracker likes it when the tables are turned. I don't support killing him but I'm fine with gaslighting him.
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tinfoil said:
It's possible. Do you have any evidence they were a racist lot? I'm not sure how you could know who the jury was, let alone know they were racists. Hence, I dubbed it a fantasy. You want to believe it for some reason. You are free to believe it. You will always believe it no matter what since without a shread, you're convinced.

Like I said. I feel sorry for you. Must suck to have to make up reality because you can't accept the real one.
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Of course they were. If anyone could let Zimmerman go, after what we already know....racism is the only answer. And given Florida's piss poor track record, regarding race, it was par for the course.
 
Gun Nut said:
What's the normal response to being attacked and having your head slammed into the ground by a thug?
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To realize that you shouldn't have been following someone in the first place, after having been told not to do so. And this is the result. By the way, Martin wasn't a thug, he was a teen aged boy, on his way home. A point that your kind seems to want to overlook.
 
poet said:
Of course they were. If anyone could let Zimmerman go, after what we already know....racism is the only answer. And given Florida's piss poor track record, regarding race, it was par for the course.
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Is this your way of admitting you got nothing?

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poet said:
To realize that you shouldn't have been following someone in the first place, after having been told not to do so. And this is the result. By the way, Martin wasn't a thug, he was a teen aged boy, on his way home. A point that your kind seems to want to overlook.
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I can follow whoever I like as long as I am not stalking or harassing them. Nobody has the right to tell me not to.

Anyone who beats someone just for following them is a thug, and deserves what they get.

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Rune said:
My Alaskan Malamute is smarter than you and has a better vocabulary as well,
Zim admitted killing, it is public knowledge.
That you have to ask for proof confirms your stupidity.
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You claim Murder... The Jury determined SELF DEFENSE...

Why do you intentionally Miss-characterize what happened as Murder? Zimmerman admitted killing in Self defense...that is not MURDER.

All your personal attacks also take away from your argument... the sign of a weak mind, and a weaker position on the issue.

pitiful...quite pitiful on your part.
 
I Love America said:
You are going over the top here. Despite Trayvons actions he didn't deserve to die. That is hyperbole.

Zimmermans life is changed forever. He still has to live with the fact that he took another persons life. You shouldn't be cavalier about it.
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i disagree.. I believe in the use of force for those that are violently attacking another. Trayvon is the cause of his own death.
 
Rune said:
WTF is wrong with you?
The kid is dead, zim's gun killed him, the verdict is a gross miscarriage of justice. End of fucking story,
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anyone saying this simply didn't watch the trial. Even if you hate zimmerman, the bottom line is the prosecution did not prove their case. Nearly every witness of theirs supported zimmerman. The lead homicide detective said he was truthful, credible, and that he believed his story. Multiple witnesses said he did not have ill will, hatred, or spite. There was no evidence about zimmerman doing anything illegal before the altercation.

The state did not prove their case. That is an objective fact.
 
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Steelplate said:
You know Rune....I do find it amusing that our right wing brethren love.murder so.much....they are a bloodthirsty lot. They love the death penalty....they love the thought of a home invasion.so they can shoot the perp, they love everything to do.with.blood death and Gore....unless it comes to fetuses. I have a theory on this.....it's not so.much that they just LOVE the unborn so much....it's just that they can't get in on the action.

So....I decided to sign up for Shark Tank with my very own.invention....a fetus flinger! It's just like a clay pigeon shooter arm...but modified to hold an unborn human fetus....we could.put these shooting ranges outside of every abortion clinic across America...it would be a.win/win....conservative.gun.nuts would.be able to do some wet work, and the pregnancy would.be ended.YEEEHAW!
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Shut up and take my money.
 
evince said:
the women were white and raised in the area which is notorious for being racist
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a jury agreed upon by both sides.

Everyone was all "girl power 6 women hooray" before the trial started. Now... not so much.

I didn't hear any complaints about this jury before the verdict. You all were fine with it before they told you the harsh truth.
 
Darla said:
I don't believe we do have to live with it. To me, it's important to view it through a more historic lens. All white juries aquiting the murderers of black males is a Southern tradition. In years past, civil rights charges have had to be brought against the murderers by the dept of justice. Ben Jealous is attempting to do that, though I will state that since Obama is a coward, I believe it won't happen. He wants to go along to get along way too much.

Further, it is very important IMO, that white feminists take a break from defending the right wing onslaught against all women, to stand against this injustice. The mainstream feminist movement is often too insular, and then some of us wonder, well why don't more black women join us? Well, what we should ask is, why don't we join them? So this week, I will join them in NYC.
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We do need to work to get these "stand your ground" laws appealed. As a later post (I believe by Panda Hugger) said (in paraphrase), you can kill someone; they aren't there to dispute your version; you can claim self-defense and walk away.

And most of these laws (not sure in Florida) say you don't have to try to avoid a situation if you can.

So Zimmerman can follow Martin for blocks, kill him, and get declared "not guilty".

In the old days, a white woman could claim a black man flirted with her and that black man would get lynched... sound familiar here?

SP, no, we don't know exactly what happened when Z & Martin met. But we know Martin is dead and that there was no reason for it. If Z hadn't been so aggressive, carrying a gun he shouldn't have been carrying, following a young man he had no reason to follow - then Martin would still be alive.

Zimmerman, according to the jury, was following the law. So the law needs to be changed so future Zimmermans think twice.
 
At any rate, I'm done with this thread. Tired of the gloating by those who supported Zimmerman. Tired of the junk comments.

A dear friend of mine just died of cancer; there is more to life and death than forum jerks.

Darla, SP, Poet, et al - you know who you are - I'm not speaking of you, of course.
 
tekkychick said:
We do need to work to get these "stand your ground" laws appealed. As a later post (I believe by Panda Hugger) said (in paraphrase), you can kill someone; they aren't there to dispute your version; you can claim self-defense and walk away.

And most of these laws (not sure in Florida) say you don't have to try to avoid a situation if you can.

So Zimmerman can follow Martin for blocks, kill him, and get declared "not guilty".

In the old days, a white woman could claim a black man flirted with her and that black man would get lynched... sound familiar here?

SP, no, we don't know exactly what happened when Z & Martin met. But we know Martin is dead and that there was no reason for it. If Z hadn't been so aggressive, carrying a gun he shouldn't have been carrying, following a young man he had no reason to follow - then Martin would still be alive.

Zimmerman, according to the jury, was following the law. So the law needs to be changed so future Zimmermans think twice.
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Go for it. Let me know how that works for you. Try repealing the Second Amendment too.

Martin is dead because he attacked Zimmerman, who defended his life.
 
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