Vicious Political Movement circa 2030

TheDanold said:
Oh right, only REAL paperboys would know about the "legal framework", WTF do you actually think they explained any of that to us? Honestly when you say something like that I doubt that YOU are a former paperboy.

As to your point, so then is it ok for a child to be a "contractor" at other jobs? Also I never said they were employees did I? I just said they use child labor, which is true.
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Yeah, it was explained to me when I was hired. It was mentioned to me several times by different people as I went through the process. That's how I'm familiar with it.

And not only children deliver papers. I have no problem with kids going into business on their own. I did it all the time when I was a kid. I pulled weeds for neighbors, set up refreshment stands, shoveled snow, washed cars, etc. I guess everyone who gave me any money for any of that is guilty of "using child labor too." But ya know what? That has nothing to do with child labor laws. And it's nothing to feel guilty about.
 
ib1yysguy said:
Yeah, it was explained to me when I was hired. It was mentioned to me several times by different people as I went through the process. That's how I'm familiar with it.
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Hmmm, well I was from lessee, from 1984 to 1989, I don't remember them explaining much other than my prescribed route. I suppose it's probably more bureaucratic like most things nowadays.

ib1yysguy said:
And not only children deliver papers. I have no problem with kids going into business on their own. I did it all the time when I was a kid. I pulled weeds for neighbors, set up refreshment stands, shoveled snow, washed cars, etc. I guess everyone who gave me any money for any of that is guilty of "using child labor too." But ya know what? That has nothing to do with child labor laws. And it's nothing to feel guilty about.
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Well yeah but I agree with you here, just why not allow other businesses to hire them to?
The whole justification for banning child labor was based on parents at the time who were in economic need for money, who on earth would send their kid up on a roof to clean a chimney nowadays? Like no one. The laws are outdated.
 
TheDanold said:
Hmmm, well I was from lessee, from 1984 to 1989, I don't remember them explaining much other than my prescribed route. I suppose it's probably more bureaucratic like most things nowadays.


Well yeah but I agree with you here, just why not allow other businesses to hire them to?
The whole justification for banning child labor was based on parents at the time who were in economic need for money, who on earth would send their kid up on a roof to clean a chimney nowadays? Like no one. The laws are outdated.
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They're not outdated; times are just good. The laws should stay in place.
 
AssHatZombie said:
They're not outdated; times are just good. The laws should stay in place.
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Why? I couldn't wait for the day I could quit my cheap paying paperroute and make much better money in a job like McDonalds.
I made 4 times what I did at the paperroute and plus got to work indoors and free food.
The laws suck, are outdated and they should go.

Why not let kids decide where they want to freely work, assuming parents agree to.
 
TheDanold said:
Why? I couldn't wait for the day I could quit my cheap paying paperroute and make much better money in a job like McDonalds.
I made 4 times what I did at the paperroute and plus got to work indoors and free food.
The laws suck, are outdated and they should go.

Why not let kids decide where they want to freely work, assuming parents agree to.
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In a strong economy it seems ridiculous, but these laws will keep children in school instead of working for their parents in case of a downturn. They're staying. Sorry. Go to another nation and turn back the hands of civilization.
 
Ah, another winning platform for Republicans! Repeal child labor and have a charity-dependent healthcare system.
 
TheDanold said:
I'll clarify. Some people might choose to buy something more if they have different means of doing it, like installments, or a loan or (in this case) by insurance.

If healthcare insurance didn't exist, then when some got injured or sick (and I am not talking injuries or sickness that absolutely 100% require a hospital or doctor) then they may buy the healthcare or they may just treat it themselves. If they have insurance, then they will pretty much 100% go to the doctor or hospital because it is already paid to them.
So insurance provides more customers and thus more cash (for R & D) to healthcare providers.
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Unfortuntely your theory falls flat since actual statistics, not just "feelings" show that the under-insured and the uninsured avoid going to the doctor because they can't pay. So even by your own statements here, our system is broken.
 
AssHatZombie said:
In a strong economy it seems ridiculous, but these laws will keep children in school instead of working for their parents in case of a downturn. They're staying. Sorry. Go to another nation and turn back the hands of civilization.
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It's civilized to limit a child's choice of jobs that THEY themselves freely wish to pursue?
I'm interested in expanding individual freedom, not appeasing vague non-existant feel-good entities like society.

Again, speaking as a kid who worked a paper route and worked other jobs like McDonalds, the paper route was the worst by far, in any way you want to judge it. Paywise, safetywise, enjoyment, benefits. And the only reason they (media) get away with that is because the job market is
pretty much theirs for the taking.


And there is nothing wrong with kids contributing a bit of money if their parents are in a bit of a downturn. They'll sure as hell not be able to contribute much from a crapola paperroute.
 
TheDanold said:
It's civilized to limit a child's choice of jobs that THEY themselves freely wish to pursue?
I'm interested in expanding individual freedom, not appeasing vague non-existant feel-good entities like society.

Again, speaking as a kid who worked a paper route and worked other jobs like McDonalds, the paper route was the worst by far, in any way you want to judge it. Paywise, safetywise, enjoyment, benefits. And the only reason they (media) get away with that is because the job market is
pretty much theirs for the taking.


And there is nothing wrong with kids contributing a bit of money if their parents are in a bit of a downturn. They'll sure as hell not be able to contribute much from a crapola paperroute.
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Sorry. The laws should stay in place.

"a child's choice of jobs"? DId you laugh when you wrote that?
 
Darla said:
Unfortuntely your theory falls flat since actual statistics, not just "feelings" show that the under-insured and the uninsured avoid going to the doctor because they can't pay. So even by your own statements here, our system is broken.
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For a very few, probably this is true. But plenty just don't want to give up something else. Lots of people could sell a car, live somewhere cheaper, get a roommate, eat cheaper, etc... in order to pay a doctors bill but most would rather not do that.
They have chosen their priorities.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Sorry. The laws should stay in place.

"a child's choice of jobs"? DId you laugh when you wrote that?
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You know I used to think your political position was all over the place, but I see now you are just a plain old authoritarian - not too many of those left.

And no I didn't laugh, I WAS that child and I DID want to work somewhere better for better pay.
Do you laugh when you write most of your stupid shit about jews? Because 99% of the rest of the board does.
 
TheDanold said:
For a very few, probably this is true. But plenty just don't want to give up something else. Lots of people could sell a car, live somewhere cheaper, get a roommate, eat cheaper, etc... in order to pay a doctors bill but most would rather not do that.
They have chosen their priorities.
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as so they should unless we make them get healthy whether they want to or not.
 
TheDanold said:
For a very few, probably this is true. But plenty just don't want to give up something else. Lots of people could sell a car, live somewhere cheaper, get a roommate, eat cheaper, etc... in order to pay a doctors bill but most would rather not do that.
They have chosen their priorities.
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For a very few, probably this is true

LOL

Dano, once again moving forward fueled soley by ideological beliefs.
 
Darla said:
...right, because New Hampshire? Not included under federal child labor laws.

You might be the stupidest person I've ever run into.
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It's the closest thing to my vision of America, which is really just that of a higher amount of freedom.
You know Darla if you look at charts detailing population movement, you'll see that the most heavily regulated Liberal places that believe more in security than freedom like in the northeast are losing people, while those states like New Hampshire and the west (non-coastal) which are more Libertarian are gaining people.

Hard as it is for you and other leftists to accept it, more people choose freedom over security.
 
TheDanold said:
It's the closest thing to my vision of America, which is really just that of a higher amount of freedom.
You know Darla if you look at charts detailing population movement, you'll see that the most heavily regulated Liberal places that believe more in security than freedom like in the northeast are losing people, while those states like New Hampshire and the west (non-coastal) which are more Libertarian are gaining people.

Hard as it is for you and other leftists to accept it, more people choose freedom over security.
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You just said you are against child labor laws, and then said "Look at New Hampshire". Child Labor laws are in effect in New Hampshire, stop deflecting.

As far as who has higher migration rates, I couldn't care enough to look. for one, you have no clue about causation, nor do you care to. A number tells you nothing, something you have demonstrated you do not understand.
 
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