Victory for Gun Rights

Good Luck said:
Says the mindless Canadian twat whose concept of freedom is limited to "better dead than poor or abused".

Can you refute anything in this discussion? Or is your claim of "convoluted logic" one more piece of shit you pulled out of the ass in which you keep your head firmly implanted?
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Refute anything? I can refute everything. As Damn Yankee has been saying "the people", with the type of fire arms you advocate they should be permitted to have, are not and will not be any match for the US Army.

As for where ones head is you've navigated the entire alimentary tract resulting in now expelling what you picked up at the very beginning of your journey.

The US Army can invade and conquer a country that has missiles and tanks and rockets but you, the comic book hero, will be triumphant.

How old are you? You're either pre-adolescent or a whacked out adult.

What a doofus. Soldier-boy is going to take on the US Army. :rofl:

By the way, Damn Yankee's toying with you makes you look like a complete idiot.

Take on the US Army, indeed! :palm:
 
apple0154 said:
Refute anything? I can refute everything. As Damn Yankee has been saying "the people", with the type of fire arms you advocate they should be permitted to have, are not and will not be any match for the US Army.
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how is that? how can you prove that? i'm anxious to hear your theory.


apple0154 said:
The US Army can invade and conquer a country that has missiles and tanks and rockets but you, the comic book hero, will be triumphant.
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I think I see where you're going with this, but i'll wait for an explanation above.
 
apple0154 said:
My theory? History is my theory. Not history from 200 years ago. History from the last 75 years.
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you don't think that violating posse comitatus and murdering american citizens in the craptastic name of law and order would garner a huge violent uprising among 80 million gun owners?
 
apple0154 said:
Refute anything? I can refute everything. As Damn Yankee has been saying "the people", with the type of fire arms you advocate they should be permitted to have, are not and will not be any match for the US Army.

As for where ones head is you've navigated the entire alimentary tract resulting in now expelling what you picked up at the very beginning of your journey.

The US Army can invade and conquer a country that has missiles and tanks and rockets but you, the comic book hero, will be triumphant.

How old are you? You're either pre-adolescent or a whacked out adult.

What a doofus. Soldier-boy is going to take on the US Army. :rofl:

By the way, Damn Yankee's toying with you makes you look like a complete idiot.

Take on the US Army, indeed! :palm:
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The Iraqis would like a word. And the Afghanis. And Vietnames. And Chechans. And Palestinians. And Indians.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
you don't think that violating posse comitatus and murdering american citizens in the craptastic name of law and order would garner a huge violent uprising among 80 million gun owners?
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If a person or group of people take up arms against the Federal Government what do you think will happen?
 
apple0154 said:
If a person or group of people take up arms against the Federal Government what do you think will happen?
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that depends. if a single group initiates the conflict, not much. they'll get put down. but if the government is the initiator in any way, other groups will join in. what do you think will happen when there's suddenly 400 people in several organized groups attacking numerous law enforcement agencies?
 
Old Fezzywig said:
The Iraqis would like a word. And the Afghanis. And Vietnames. And Chechans. And Palestinians. And Indians.
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And what happened to those who did?

If the Federal Government doesn't like folks in foreign countries confronting them what do you think will happen here? Those who believe gun owners are a check and balance on the power of the Federal Government are a century or so too late.
 
apple0154 said:
And what happened to those who did?

If the Federal Government doesn't like folks in foreign countries confronting them what do you think will happen here? Those who believe gun owners are a check and balance on the power of the Federal Government are a century or so too late.
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Well the Vietnamese won, the Chechens are still fighting. And so are the Iraqis and Afghanis. The Palestinians too. The Indians got fucked over but they also got a peace treaty signed.

Oh, the Irish, almost forgot about them. They won too.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
that depends. if a single group initiates the conflict, not much. they'll get put down. but if the government is the initiator in any way, other groups will join in. what do you think will happen when there's suddenly 400 people in several organized groups attacking numerous law enforcement agencies?
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I'd say Congress would quickly pass laws allowing the Feds to kick 400 asses, assuming a law would be necessary.

Let's be real here. While gun control may be the ideal situation for the Federal Government gun owners are not a viable threat to them.
 
apple0154 said:
My theory? History is my theory. Not history from 200 years ago. History from the last 75 years.
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Then you are ignorant of history. But that is no surprise.

I already referenced one example where in a smaller force of infantry armed only with man-pack weapons (and not much in the way of that) held off a significantly superior force that included both armor and artillery.

There is also an example in which a single battalion of NVA infantry, also armed only with man-pack weapons, held off two full armored regiments of the U.S. Army.

Then there is the example of Afghanistan, rebels armed with little more than rifles, LAWS and stingers, (man-pack weapons) managed to hold off, and eventually send packing, the Soviet army. The Soviets had armor, artillery AND air support.

So laugh away, dough head. The only thing you do with your posts is display how completely ignorant you are of anything that does not meet with the approval of your political masters.

BTW: my experience is 40 years in the United States Marine Corps. We ARE infantry - and 90% of our training has to do with kicking the shit out of superior forces using only the weapons we can carry on our backs.
 
Old Fezzywig said:
Well the Vietnamese won, the Chechens are still fighting. And so are the Iraqis and Afghanis. The Palestinians too. The Indians got fucked over but they also got a peace treaty signed.

Oh, the Irish, almost forgot about them. They won too.
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You're talking about the majority of the population. If the majority of US citizens sympathized with the gun owners that's a different story. They would want a change of government.

The Iraqis. The Afghans. The Palestinians. The majority are not exactly US friendly.

The Vietnamese "won" when the US population realized the war was a scam.
 
apple0154 said:
You're talking about the majority of the population. If the majority of US citizens sympathized with the gun owners that's a different story. They would want a change of government.

The Iraqis. The Afghans. The Palestinians. The majority are not exactly US friendly.

The Vietnamese "won" when the US population realized the war was a scam.
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Regardless, the Vietnamese won. And you'd be assuming that the majority of the population wouldn't side with gun owners (already a significantly large group of the population itself) or that the military would unquestioningly abide by orders to kill them.

Those are false assumptions.
 
apple0154 said:
I'd say Congress would quickly pass laws allowing the Feds to kick 400 asses, assuming a law would be necessary.
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and you can bet on 4 million more joining against the feds at that very moment. whats the next step?

apple0154 said:
Let's be real here. While gun control may be the ideal situation for the Federal Government gun owners are not a viable threat to them.
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we have the numbers. you've heard me talk about the 3% doctrine, right?
 
Good Luck said:
Then you are ignorant of history. But that is no surprise.

I already referenced one example where in a smaller force of infantry armed only with man-pack weapons (and not much in the way of that) held off a significantly superior force that included both armor and artillery.

There is also an example in which a single battalion of NVA infantry, also armed only with man-pack weapons, held off two full armored regiments of the U.S. Army.

Then there is the example of Afghanistan, rebels armed with little more than rifles, LAWS and stingers, (man-pack weapons) managed to hold off, and eventually send packing, the Soviet army. The Soviets had armor, artillery AND air support.

So laugh away, dough head. The only thing you do with your posts is display how completely ignorant you are of anything that does not meet with the approval of your political masters.

BTW: my experience is 40 years in the United States Marine Corps. We ARE infantry - and 90% of our training has to do with kicking the shit out of superior forces using only the weapons we can carry on our backs.
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The same thing happened to the Soviets as is happening now in Afghanistan. The people don't want a foreign power there. The people, not just a few malcontents but the majority.

If your fantasy of being able to defeat the US Army gives you comfort who am I to discourage your delusions although I do suggest you keep to the chat boards. The real world is a bitch!
 
Old Fezzywig said:
Regardless, the Vietnamese won. And you'd be assuming that the majority of the population wouldn't side with gun owners (already a significantly large group of the population itself) or that the military would unquestioningly abide by orders to kill them.

Those are false assumptions.
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Not really. The population, the baby boomers, are aging. They want their pensions and medical coverage. They're retiring. They don't want people messing up their golf course. Unless they can hire a caddy to carry their rifle you can count them out.
 
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