Was/is school busing a success or failure?

If you aren't attending your most local public schools, then it's not integration. It is, however, a fine example of fascism, if that's what one is hoping to achieve.
 
Gonzomin said:
Busing was supposed to mix the races so the kids could get used to each other and if white kids had to go to substandard schools, there would be pressure to bring them up to standards. Instead, white people sent their kids to private or religious schools.
These were the day we knew that schools were separate and unequal.
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Busing was designed to do what ending de jure segregation didn't do. De facto segregation still existed because people went to their neighborhood school and the neighborhoods were very segregated. Many still are. That's why so many that are bused, at least where I live, pass their neighborhood school on the way to where they attend.
 
Life is Golden said:
I think it was a failure. All kids were sent all over town to schools far from their homes. What was it supposed to have accomplished?
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It was supposed to integrate schools that were segregated by virtue of the racial make-up of the school districts, which in turn was often predicated on the wealth of the parents, or lack of wealth. Overall I don't think that it was very successful. However, two women that I worked with, both nurses (and one with a masters) were bused as h.s. students to suburban districts. They gave a lot of credit to both the practice and their parents signing them up and encouraging them to go to those schools despite not having many friends there, and feeling out of place. So some individuals did well by it, but overall I don't think that many others did.
 
In Toledo they let kids go to whatever school they chose.
But another situation came up.
Libbey HS in the old South End was closed do to lack of students,and the 1922 building needed more work than the city was willing to spend.
So what to do with the Libbey students?
West of Libbey was the new Bowsher in a better part of town.And closer to Downtown is Scott Hs
,so they sent half the Libbey kids to Bowsher.
But they couldn't send the other half the Libbey kids,mostly black to Scott,mostly black because of issues within the black community.
So they sent the other half of the Libbey kids,clear across town,across the river to Waite HS in East Toledo.
There are issues in the urban Black community,that only the black community can solve.
 
MASON said:
In Toledo they let kids go to whatever school they chose.
But another situation came up.
Libbey HS in the old South End was closed do to lack of students,and the 1922 building needed more work than the city was willing to spend.
So what to do with the Libbey students?
West of Libbey was the new Bowsher in a better part of town.And closer to Downtown is Scott Hs
,so they sent half the Libbey kids to Bowsher.
But they couldn't send the other half the Libbey kids,mostly black to Scott,mostly black because of issues within the black community.
So they sent the other half of the Libbey kids,clear across town,across the river to Waite HS in East Toledo.
There are issues in the urban Black community,that only the black community can solve.
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In the district where I live, kids are assigned a school. They can request special permission to go to a school outside their assigned school. Unless the special request is at a school where those assigned to it have met the capacity allowed, it's a formality for the most part. If someone receives special permission, they are responsible for their own transportation.
 
Gonzomin said:
Busing was supposed to mix the races so the kids could get used to each other and if white kids had to go to substandard schools, there would be pressure to bring them up to standards. Instead, white people sent their kids to private or religious schools.
These were the day we knew that schools were separate and unequal.
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IMHO this was by design, & throughout the country.........
 
anonymoose said:
Really? I went to a public school in the '70's which was fairly proportional to the makeup of the population. My sister is a teacher, went back to the old school we went to , to teach, and said it's completely unmanageable. She said it's practically child abuse/neglect to send your kid to a public school. Private and parochial schools are booming in Louisiana.
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You went to public school in NOLA??
 
Bill said:
You went to public school in NOLA??
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lol, hell no. That would be worse than child abuse. There was once an article about how a soldier had a better chance of surviving a tour of duty in Vietnam than 4 yrs. at a N.O. public school.
I went to school in Metairie.
 
WTH, CFM, a couple civil posts in a row, you feel ok??

lol

In our area they have been changing it around & some districts allow that as well, & the parents have to haul them back & fourth.... Parents w/ skin in the game are prob more involved & actively participating in the kids education etc.......
 
Bill said:
WTH, CFM, a couple civil posts in a row, you feel ok??

lol

In our area they have been changing it around & some districts allow that as well, & the parents have to haul them back & fourth.... Parents w/ skin in the game are prob more involved & actively participating in the kids education etc.......
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All of my posts are civil. You equate not liking the truth with being uncivil and those two simply aren't the same thing.

There was one major factor I intentionally left out related to the transportation part. A sizable number of parents complained that the requirement of providing transportation was discriminatory. You know the entitled kind. They argued that the requirement put an undue burden on parents and that the policy was purposely created knowing that many blacks would be unable to meet it.
 
Busing was successful in introducing different races to each other and eliminating lots of the fear of the unknown. Many kids discovered people are people. That may be why this generation is more open and accepting of other races than previous ones. It may have spilled over to gays.
 
Gonzomin said:
Busing was supposed to mix the races so the kids could get used to each other and if white kids had to go to substandard schools, there would be pressure to bring them up to standards. Instead, white people sent their kids to private or religious schools.
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gosh, no one saw that coming......
 
CFM said:
So you base equality on the buildings, huh?
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NO! I base equality on EQUALITY- and EQUALITY for everyone- NOT JUST FOR WHITE NATIONALIST RACIST PEOPLE ANYMORE!

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The first 4 black kids I went to grade school with were bussed in from the inner city. 3 of them were very nice kids and I was glad to get to know them. One was a piece of shit little thug who stole things from people.
 
CFM said:
All of my posts are civil. You equate not liking the truth with being uncivil and those two simply aren't the same thing.

There was one major factor I intentionally left out related to the transportation part. A sizable number of parents complained that the requirement of providing transportation was discriminatory. You know the entitled kind. They argued that the requirement put an undue burden on parents and that the policy was purposely created knowing that many blacks would be unable to meet it.
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That is why God made bikes, Uber, neighbors w/ cars, family & feet...:dunno:

No my friend, all your posts are not, just ask anyone.... Go head, I dare yea......:cool:
 
Bill said:
That is why God made bikes, Uber, neighbors w/ cars, family & feet...:dunno:

No my friend, all your posts are not, just ask anyone.... Go head, I dare yea......:cool:
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Am I supposed to believe them should they say so? Interesting how you equate agreeing with someone and something being correct.
 
CFM said:
Am I supposed to believe them should they say so? Interesting how you equate agreeing with someone and something being correct.
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Go ahead & try, then you can believe whatever you want....... :dunno:

Agreeing w/ someone has nothing to do w/ it.. You can disagree & not call them outrageous racial slurs & such.. Not necessary, you're an adult, mature adult :|
 
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