We have to split up!

[Diesel]

Socialism is the best system on paper

Cool story, "dude". No one's talking about socialism.

 

[Diesel]

Libertarianism appeals to young men in particular

In my experience it usually has to do with the myths of honorable kings


Children love the myths of honorable king


They imagine being princesses and knights

Kings and queens


Noble people who love their kingdom of people

Helping their minions and being loved by the people in their care


Childhood fantasy’s

Girls grow into women and don’t want to be ruled

Boys grow into men and some still pine for being a noble kings and savior knights


Libertarianism isn’t even the best system on paper

I'm not technically young, but I am probably among the youngest 5 posters in this forum. Your perspective is skewed because you are very old and surround yourself with very old people. All your incessant mumblings, including about "honorable kings", also indicate a mental illness.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not technically young, but I am probably among the youngest 5 posters in this forum. Your perspective is skewed because you are very old and surround yourself with very old people. All your incessant mumblings, including about "honorable kings", also indicate a mental illness.

Which explains your ignorance and immaturity. Thanks for the insights.

 

[Diesel]

It’s what happens when a society fails to shame those who lie



It is incumbent on a society to point out those who lie and shame them until they embrace the truth


Or they shut the fuck up

What have you been doing for the last five years? Have you not been shaming liars? I know I have been. I know most of the people I know have been. I know that most of the responsible media have been. Interesting to me that you would blame, inadvertently no less, the US's current situation on "society" rather than Trump, his cultists, and the Republican party.

Leave your foot in your mouth. I prefer it there.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Cool story, "dude". No one's talking about socialism.

Stop giving yourself a Rusty Trombone for a minute, dude, and read the forum.

 

[Diesel]

And you have yet to demonstrate the applicable reality of libertarianism

Your post is what experienced debaters and educated people call "moving the goalposts".

I don't have "to demonstrate the applicable reality of libertarianism" because I never made that assertion nor is it ever what we were talking about. The premise of the conversation, if your addled brain can recall it, was YOUR eloquent and thought-provoking statement that, "Libertarianism is crap, dude."

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Your post is what experienced debaters and educated people call "moving the goalposts".

I don't have "to demonstrate the applicable reality of libertarianism" because I never made that assertion nor is it ever what we were talking about. The premise of the conversation, if your addled brain can recall it, was YOUR eloquent and thought-provoking statement that, "Libertarianism is crap, dude."

Your posts indicate a severe level of Cranial-Inversion Syndrome. You might want to see a doctor about it before it goes to Stage IV.

 

[Diesel]

We have taken all power away from them you basically can in one cycle because of their outrageous and unhinged unlawful thoughts and behavior.

And the tantrum is a thing to behold. The Republican party, whatever that means anymore (but especially old, white, straight, Christian people who don't know what's true and what's not true and live to lie), makes me think of an only child that never had a rule in his life. Was never told no. Never had to do a chore. Never had a curfew. Then at age 24, after finishing six years of undergraduate education without a degree because the university was a leftist indoctrination factory, the adult child gets a job. Boss says, "No, I'll pay you $35,000, not $150,000. You don't get a parking spot. You have to be here at 8:00 every morning. Now please order lunch for our meeting and set up the conference room before you sit down and create some spreadsheets for your young, black, lesbian manager." The meltdown has only just begun.

 

[Diesel]

While I do agree that the Dems have their own issues, but disagree that the hard left is running the show, they may have an agenda wish list but most of it will never pass. That is something to watch and see how it goes down the road. No Marxists are running anything in this country, don't be so dramatic.

The Repubs are a different story, and the split is already visible and both Republicans and Trumplings have both talked seriously about either taking over the GOP or splitting away since the two cannot coexist, that is happen Now, not down the road. Any Party going through a power struggle/split will be hurt in the elections and will be hard pressed to win or hold high level seats, so for the GOP the sooner they resolve their issue the better for them.

In the end, when that will be is to be determined, my guess is we will end up with four Parties and not the the big two. Yes we have other Parties already, but none have been able to attract enough of a voter base to really be a player. Personally I like the idea of more Parties, it tends to keep any one ideology or politician from dominated the government.

My wildest political dream is to have a multi-party system. Not only would it ideally force formation of coalitions, but it would hopefully retrain people to not see things in binary terms and as a zero sum game.

 

[cawacko]

My wildest political dream is to have a multi-party system. Not only would it ideally force formation of coalitions, but it would hopefully retrain people to not see things in binary terms and as a zero sum game.

I haven’t followed the thread so I apologize if this has already been discussed. I’ve voted third party before. And I’ve heard it all from ‘you’re throwing away your vote’ to ‘its a cop out’ etc. etc. I disagree but to each his own.

You say you support multi parties. What’s your take on people currently voting third party?

 

[redfish]

I haven’t followed the thread so I apologize if this has already been discussed. I’ve voted third party before. And I’ve heard it all from ‘you’re throwing away your vote’ to ‘its a cop out’ etc. etc. I disagree but to each his own.

You say you support multi parties. What’s your take on people currently voting third party?

I also have voted third party, I helped elect Clinton by voting for Perot. Won't make that mistake again.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I also have voted third party, I helped elect Clinton by voting for Perot. Won't make that mistake again.

I also voted for Perot and, like you, after Clinton won, went back to voting Republican. Mitt Romney was the last Republican President I voted for because I couldn't hold my nose long enough to support the direction the Republican Party had been heading since 2000.

Disagreed you or I "helped elect Clinton". We're no more guilty for voting our consciences than the Democrats who voted for Nader in 2000 helped elect GW Bush.

Americans should vote their consciences. Period. Holding one's nose and voting for the lesser of two evils is unAmerican, IMO. We should all do our duty are our minds and hearts tell us to do.

 

[Micawber]

Your post is what experienced debaters and educated people call "moving the goalposts".

I don't have "to demonstrate the applicable reality of libertarianism" because I never made that assertion nor is it ever what we were talking about. The premise of the conversation, if your addled brain can recall it, was YOUR eloquent and thought-provoking statement that, "Libertarianism is crap, dude."

Would you accept as a better answer: "after years of painstaking research, vast reflection, statistical regression and earnest inquiry Libertarianism is crap dude?"

 

[Micawber]

And the tantrum is a thing to behold. The Republican party, whatever that means anymore (but especially old, white, straight, Christian people who don't know what's true and what's not true and live to lie), makes me think of an only child that never had a rule in his life. Was never told no. Never had to do a chore. Never had a curfew. Then at age 24, after finishing six years of undergraduate education without a degree because the university was a leftist indoctrination factory, the adult child gets a job. Boss says, "No, I'll pay you $35,000, not $150,000. You don't get a parking spot. You have to be here at 8:00 every morning. Now please order lunch for our meeting and set up the conference room before you sit down and create some spreadsheets for your young, black, lesbian manager." The meltdown has only just begun.

Colorful and apt. I fear that since their fears are largely unjustified and they still occupy an exalted position in society (any team photo of the Senate will due)
what they might do if they really suffered loss of station. Not like they are slaves in Rome washing my shorts in urine.

 

[evince]

Your post is what experienced debaters and educated people call "moving the goalposts".

I don't have "to demonstrate the applicable reality of libertarianism" because I never made that assertion nor is it ever what we were talking about. The premise of the conversation, if your addled brain can recall it, was YOUR eloquent and thought-provoking statement that, "Libertarianism is crap, dude."

Diversion

You can’t argue it’s not crap

Because

It is crap

 

[evince]

I also voted for Perot and, like you, after Clinton won, went back to voting Republican. Mitt Romney was the last Republican President I voted for because I couldn't hold my nose long enough to support the direction the Republican Party had been heading since 2000.

Disagreed you or I "helped elect Clinton". We're no more guilty for voting our consciences than the Democrats who voted for Nader in 2000 helped elect GW Bush.

Americans should vote their consciences. Period. Holding one's nose and voting for the lesser of two evils is unAmerican, IMO. We should all do our duty are our minds and hearts tell us to do.

Republican economic ideas are crap

 

[evince]

My wildest political dream is to have a multi-party system. Not only would it ideally force formation of coalitions, but it would hopefully retrain people to not see things in binary terms and as a zero sum game.

The formation of a two major party system with small parties floating arround in limbo was created by people forming coalitions

It’s can’t be forced because you fail to understand it’s the people who created this system


What do you get if you have three or more major partys of nearly equal power?


30 percent of the people picking the representatives and leaders for 70 percent of the people


That is shitty democracy


This nations problems are caused by a Republican Party that decided to push off their falling popularity by cheating in elections to keep brown and black Americans from voting


That is the only change this nation needs

How about we punish them and stop them from cheating

 

[evince]

I also have voted third party, I helped elect Clinton by voting for Perot. Won't make that mistake again.

See

Oh and by the way


Republicans were keeping black and brown American voters from voting in that election too

And Perots economic ideas were crap

 

[evince]

Libertarianism is not "my idea". It's a political philosophy. I have two degrees in political science. You . . . well, enough said.

As for your "quote", who said it? I cannot wait to see your answer to this.

Sure you do


Your economic ideas are crap

They fail every time they are used


That makes them crap no matter what level of education you have

 

[evince]

Possibly, we are in the opening stages so where it goes is far too early for me to predict with any real accuracy.

I hope you are right, By The Way.

All my dogs and cats came to me, they just showed up and you know what happens when you feed them, 3 dogs (all brothers, German Shep mix) and three cats in the house as kitten strays, 7 more cats in my shop kittens now adults from two stray females, and 2 permanent cats outside cats with at least 5-6 visitors, yes the cost is that most would not believe, but the reward is Priceless.

You rock

I live in the city

I do take in strays but then rehome them


One of my current dogs is a rehomer that came back to me nearly a decade later

My daughter-in-laws family dog

I gave it to them and then her parents divorced and could not keep him in the transition

He’s mine now though