countryboy
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A lot? According to what?
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Dutch Uncle
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True, but what are the odds? The same logic applies to people who drive cars. They are "peaceful law abiding" until they speed, blow through a red light or run over a kid playing in the street because they had too much wine at a DNC fundraiser.
Backing up a bit; the Left has long claimed that Trump wants to be a dictator and is destroying our government. How are We, the People, going to stop tyranny if we give up al of our guns and trust that President Elon would take care of us?
But those people who drive cars aren’t killing innocent people on purpose, deliberately, the “law abiding gun owner” is, major difference
You really think the average gun owning people in the US are going to suddenly unite and mobilize against what they perceive is a tyrannical Government? At best, that scenario would wind up anarchic sects with varying opinions shooting each other while the majority of Americans would run for cover
Number of innocent people slaughtered in mass shootings, Stephen Paddock alone should be enough
countryboy
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Really? Did you miss the NOLA massacre?
Don't worry, your new DNC leader Deputy Hogg will outlaw guns.
Ah, and how does that compare to Steven Paddock? the Pulse in Orlando? First Baptist Church in Texas? elementary school kids masqueraded at Sandy Hook? examples are endlessReally? Did you miss the NOLA massacre?
Don't worry, your new DNC leader Deputy Hogg will outlaw guns.
NEXT
Dutch Uncle
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James Fields? The Nice terrorist attack truck driver? The New Orleans attack driver?
No, but if only .1%*of gun owners do work against a tyrannical government, the other 99.9% of gun owners will help provide them cover AKA camouflage since the tyrants can't tell one gun owner from the other. The tyrannical solution? To do exactly what you are advocating, banning all guns.
FWIW, you should read history about citizens resisting tyranny. The Irish in Northern Ireland, the French in Vichy France, the Cubans under Batista, the American Revolution, the Mexican Revolution, the Russian Revolution, etc.
* .1% = 82,880
How Many Gun Owners are in America? (2024 Statistics)
How many gun owners are there in America in 2024? We'll break down the numbers in this article.
ammo.com
- Self-reported gun ownership in America increased by 28% from 1994 to 2023.
- Based on NICS background data and manufacturing records, it is estimated that there are 500 million civilian-owned firearms in the U.S.
- Only 6.06 million firearms are registered in America (the U.S. does not require registration for all firearms).
- Estimates show that 82,880,000 people own at least one firearm in 2023.
- 43% of households have at least one firearm in 2023.
- Women's firearm ownership has increased by 177.8% since 1993.
- Hispanics are the fastest-growing demographic of gun owners, with a 33% increase in ownership between 2017 and 2023.
- Gun ownership declined by 22% in the 18-29 age group between 2017 and 2023.
- 1 out of 20 adults in the U.S. purchased a firearm for the first time during the pandemic.
countryboy
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Which all have nothing to do with the millions of law abiding gun owners in the country who never harm a soul. Sorry to disappoint you anchovy, but, thought crimes are not a thing. We are not a tyrannical dictatorship, much to your chagrin I'm sure.
SmarterthanYou
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I have not quoted the 2nd Amendment in this thread
As I just noted above, how does that compare to Steven Paddock? the Pulse in Orlando? First Baptist Church in Texas? elementary school kids masqueraded at Sandy Hook? examples are endlessJames Fields? The Nice terrorist attack truck driver? The New Orleans attack driver?
No, but if only .1%*of gun owners do work against a tyrannical government, the other 99.9% of gun owners will help provide them cover AKA camouflage since the tyrants can't tell one gun owner from the other. The tyrannical solution? To do exactly what you are advocating, banning all guns.
FWIW, you should read history about citizens resisting tyranny. The Irish in Northern Ireland, the French in Vichy France, the Cubans under Batista, the American Revolution, the Mexican Revolution, the Russian Revolution, etc.
* .1% = 82,880
Report Highlights:How Many Gun Owners are in America? (2024 Statistics)
How many gun owners are there in America in 2024? We'll break down the numbers in this article.
- Self-reported gun ownership in America increased by 28% from 1994 to 2023.
- Based on NICS background data and manufacturing records, it is estimated that there are 500 million civilian-owned firearms in the U.S.
- Only 6.06 million firearms are registered in America (the U.S. does not require registration for all firearms).
- Estimates show that 82,880,000 people own at least one firearm in 2023.
- 43% of households have at least one firearm in 2023.
- Women's firearm ownership has increased by 177.8% since 1993.
- Hispanics are the fastest-growing demographic of gun owners, with a 33% increase in ownership between 2017 and 2023.
- Gun ownership declined by 22% in the 18-29 age group between 2017 and 2023.
- 1 out of 20 adults in the U.S. purchased a firearm for the first time during the pandemic.
Your reading a movie script if you think that’s going play out the way you envision, as I said, the greater scenario is small groups shooting at each other
Everyone in Northern Ireland is Irish, Vichy France cooperated with the Germans, Cubans fighting Batista were getting outside help, and the revolutions were last Century and before
And I don’t see the point of the “Ammo” article, besides, that is like getting data from the gun manufactures, not what one would classified as objective
Not true, Paddock was a model of a “law bidding gun owner” as were most of the others, and I never said anyone was a “tyrannical dictator,” rather this Administration is taking us to a oligarchy, not the pluralist populist democracy you MAGA supposed profess
countryboy
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Murderers are not law abiding. You can't punish citizens for the actions of others.
We don't profess democracy at all. We are not a democracy, and never have been. The word democracy does not appear anywhere in our founding documents.
Dutch Uncle
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Tragedies happen. IMO, they can be reduced, if not prevented, with better mental healthcare. Why are you so adverse to better mental healthcare rather than, contrary to Einstein's advice, you continue to repeat the same thing hoping for different results?
My focus is upon basic human behavior stripped of their culture. Example; regardless of the culture in which a person is from or currently resides, Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs* applies since they are all....wait for it...human. Ergo, when stripped of their base needs, they will tend to react within a range of behaviors.
The historical examples you so quickly disregarded are examples of where the needs of a majority of people were reduced so much that they revolted since they had little to nothing to lose.
As James Baldwin once wrote “The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose.” People who have nothing and lived in a mudhut can't miss what they never had. The Arab Spring was powered by the Internet as Arabs realized what they could have and what people in the West commonly had. In the US, we're spoiled with our food, clothing, housing and relative safety. Start taking that away and people will start to resist those doing the taking. It's easier to resist if we are armed and now how to use those arms.
*https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html
What is Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs?
According to Maslow (1943, 1954), human needs were arranged in a hierarchy, with physiological (survival) needs at the bottom, and the more creative and intellectually oriented ‘self-actualization’ needs at the top.
Sure you have, the operative clause, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed,” which is meaningless without the prefatory clause
Mental health is a problem, however, as I’ve said before, every mass shoring has three common variables; the shooter, the target, and the weapon. All the health programs in the world isn’t going to tell us who the next shooter is, and we can not protect all the potential soft targets in America. The only variable that is controllable is the gun that makes it all possibleTragedies happen. IMO, they can be reduced, if not prevented, with better mental healthcare. Why are you so adverse to better mental healthcare rather than, contrary to Einstein's advice, you continue to repeat the same thing hoping for different results?
My focus is upon basic human behavior stripped of their culture. Example; regardless of the culture in which a person is from or currently resides, Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs* applies since they are all....wait for it...human. Ergo, when stripped of their base needs, they will tend to react within a range of behaviors.
The historical examples you so quickly disregarded are examples of where the needs of a majority of people were reduced so much that they revolted since they had little to nothing to lose.
As James Baldwin once wrote “The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose.” People who have nothing and lived in a mudhut can't miss what they never had. The Arab Spring was powered by the Internet as Arabs realized what they could have and what people in the West commonly had. In the US, we're spoiled with our food, clothing, housing and relative safety. Start taking that away and people will start to resist those doing the taking. It's easier to resist if we are armed and now how to use those arms.
*https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html
What is Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs?
According to Maslow (1943, 1954), human needs were arranged in a hierarchy, with physiological (survival) needs at the bottom, and the more creative and intellectually oriented ‘self-actualization’ needs at the top.
And you are going off into too many directions, as I said, the events you noted aren’t as simply explained as people fighting a tyranny government
Dutch Uncle
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I'm truly sorry you do not understand the fact that better mental healthcare would not only help prevent people from committing suicide and/or murder, but help them live better lives.
No worries. You are free to keep pissing in the wind and advocating banning guns just like Democrats have done for over 3 decades with exactly the same results.
That said, I'm curious. Have you lost someone close to you to gun violence? Suicide? Have you been threatened with a gun yourself? I was once in my teens. The idiots ended up going to juvie jail for threatening me and my friend with a gun then assaulting us.
Into the Night
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Assumption of victory fallacy. Blatant lie (inversion).
Into the Night
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Shoring doesn't require guns or shooters or weapons. Wood or steel will do.
Shoot back.
Into the Night
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Cherry picking fallacy.
SlaveForChrist
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Damn, so damn stupid you decided to triple down