Welfare pays very well

[Liberty]

Yes, that would be the ideal. But with the economy like this? No, they're for a broader range of people.

I think later posts I made on this thread go into a little detail about your statement.

If you can't get a job paying much more than minimum wage, you should start your own business.

That's what I did, and it requires a lot of hard work, but is worth it.

 

[Bonestorm]

I think later posts I made on this thread go into a little detail about your statement.

If you can't get a job paying much more than minimum wage, you should start your own business.

That's what I did, and it requires a lot of hard work, but is worth it.

Congrats. That's wonderful for you. But the idea that there are a lot of people who can't better than minimum wage jobs who can just up and start their own business is ridiculous.

 

[Liberty]

What is this opinion based upon? I am a liberal libertarian. Your judgement of me is incorrect, unfounded and unfair.

If you think your party will ever accomplish anything with only the far right in attendance you are fantasizing.

Because you seem to attack libertarian minded people.

I don't think the Libertarian party will accomplish a lot. I'm not an acting member anyway.

I'm fiscally conservative and socially tolerant.

What's a liberal libertarian?

 

[Rune]

I think later posts I made on this thread go into a little detail about your statement.

If you can't get a job paying much more than minimum wage, you should start your own business.

That's what I did, and it requires a lot of hard work, but is worth it.

I did start my own business, and it works well enough. I have no problem paying entry level workers double minimum wage.
You make vast, incorrect statements about me, and you owe me an apology, if you are man enough.

 

[Liberty]

Congrats. That's wonderful for you. But the idea that there are a lot of people who can't better than minimum wage jobs who can just up and start their own business is ridiculous.

Hey Nigel, are you going to play fotball picks this year? You're a regular. We would like to see you.

Your right about starting your own business. With all the road blocks set up from government it's not like it was 30+ years ago, but if you want it bad enough it can happen.

I know a business someone could start right away.

 

[I'm Watermark]

I think later posts I made on this thread go into a little detail about your statement.

If you can't get a job paying much more than minimum wage, you should start your own business.

That's what I did, and it requires a lot of hard work, but is worth it.

I've worked in start-ups. A massive amount of them - like, more than 90% - don't get the funding they need to go somewhere.

 

[Liberty]

I did start my own business, and it works well enough. I have no problem paying entry level workers double minimum wage.
You make vast, incorrect statements about me, and you owe me an apology, if you are man enough.

Well, I apologize. You could too.

And what's a liberal libertarian?

In my last business, I started everyone out at $15.00 an hour. I work for a company now. For the last 8 years anyway. Before that I ran my own business my entire adult life.

 

[Bonestorm]

Hey Nigel, are you going to play fotball picks this year? You're a regular. We would like to see you.

Your right about starting your own business. With all the road blocks set up from government it's not like it was 30+ years ago, but if you want it bad enough it can happen.

I know a business someone could start right away.

I'm in on football picks.

 

[Liberty]

I've worked in start-ups. A massive amount of them - like, more than 90% - don't get the funding they need to go somewhere.

I've started three businesses in my lifetime. (Four if you want to count my teenage years when I sold dope.)

The three in my adult life have been very hard to start and get going, and one of them didn't make it.

 

[Liberty]

I'm in on football picks.

Cool!

 

[zappasguitar]

Minimum wage jobs are for the youth, and to lazy to apply themselves. They're not for the person trying to feed a family.

Why?

 

[Liberty]

Why?

Because the pay is so low.

 

[Rune]

Well, I apologize. You could too.

And what's a liberal libertarian?

In my last business, I started everyone out at $15.00 an hour. I work for a company now. For the last 8 years anyway. Before that I ran my own business my entire adult life.

Thankyou. I am sorry about whatever I said that set you off.

A liberal libertarian believes in freedom, democratic principles, is opposed to a totalitarian government, but willing to pay enough taxes to protect the most vulnerable of society

 

[I'm Watermark]

Because the pay is so low.

Of course. If you don't want to be poor, you won't be. Why didn't I think of that?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Why?

That question shows a complete lack of understand of markets and basic economics.

 

[Timshel]

So sorry, moron, but minimum wage does not "pay very well" Hence the term "living wage" and the fact that minimum wage is not nearly enough to live on.
The welfare "problem" was rectified in the '90s by none other than Bill Clinton.

By the way, while the Cato Intstitute claims to be libertarian, this is lie, believable only by dupes such as yourself, and is in fact a far right conservative propaganda machine created by none other than the Koch bros, whose well known intentions are fascism, rather than free markets and liberty. P.T. Barnum was right and you are the proof, and excellent proof at that.

Nice try loser.

Cato is critical of corporate welfare too. They highlight it annually.

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/corporate-welfare-federal-budget
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/happy-birthday-bank-bailout

 

[signalmankenneth]

Corporate Welfare Really Does Pay Well?!!

 

[Liberty]

Of course. If you don't want to be poor, you won't be. Why didn't I think of that?

I learned at an early age that no one was going to pay me for what I thought I was worth. I started working at the age of twelve because my father never had enough money to give me to do fun things. I started working for around $2.25 an hour, and was really pissed when I saw the income tax taken out.

All that said, Staying Poor is a choice. If the poor really wanted to move up in income, they could. All they have to do is work hard and make it happen.

 

[I'm Watermark]

I learned at an early age that no one was going to pay me for what I thought I was worth. I started working at the age of twelve because my father never had enough money to give me to do fun things. I started working for around $2.25 an hour, and was really pissed when I saw the income tax taken out.

All that said, Staying Poor is a choice. If the poor really wanted to move up in income, they could. All they have to do is work hard and make it happen.

Good for you. That kind of spirit it always admirable.

But the fact of the matter is that it doesn't always work that way - more so in our economy. The college grads barely getting by, the folks lining up at employment offices, the single mother in community college. Their hard work only means something when there're good paying jobs available.

 

[Phantasmal]

I learned at an early age that no one was going to pay me for what I thought I was worth. I started working at the age of twelve because my father never had enough money to give me to do fun things. I started working for around $2.25 an hour, and was really pissed when I saw the income tax taken out.

All that said, Staying Poor is a choice. If the poor really wanted to move up in income, they could. All they have to do is work hard and make it happen.

I have to disagree, there are many hard working poor, staying poor is not a choice, otherwise, if hard work was the answer many of the rich would be poor and the poor rich.