What are the Dems up to threatening Turkey?

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Turkey has recalled its ambassador to the United States, Nabi Sensoy, in response to a House resolution that would call the World War I massacre of Armenians by Turkish forces "genocide," the Turkish Foreign Ministry said Thursday.


The House Foreign Affairs Committee passed the measure 27-21 on Wednesday evening, even though President Bush and key administration figures lobbied hard against it. The full House is expected to vote on it, possibly Friday.

A top Turkish official warned Thursday that consequences "won't be pleasant" if the full House approves the resolution.

"Yesterday some in Congress wanted to play hardball," said Egemen Bagis, foreign policy adviser to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. "I can assure you Turkey knows how to play hardball."

The administration is expected to try to persuade the Democratic leadership not to schedule a vote by the full House, according to The Associated Press.

But House Democratic leaders said earlier if the Foreign Affairs Committee passed the resolution, they intended to bring it to the House floor. Video Watch why the resolution stirs strong emotions »

The House was not in session on Thursday because of the funeral of Rep. Jo Ann Davis of Virginia, who died on Saturday. Members may vote on the resolution on Friday.

Turkey, a NATO member, has been a key U.S. ally in the Middle East and a conduit for sending supplies into Iraq.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on Wednesday that good relations with Turkey are vital because 70 percent of the air cargo intended for U.S. forces in Iraq and 30 percent of the fuel consumed by those forces flies through Turkey.

U.S. commanders, Gates said, "believe clearly that access to airfields and roads and so on in Turkey would very much be put at risk if this resolution passes and the Turks react as strongly as we believe they will."

Bagis said since a French Parliament committee passed a similar resolution last year, no French planes have flown through Turkish airspace.

He said the response to the U.S. might not be the same, but warned if the full House passes it, "We will do something and I can promise you it won't be pleasant."

Bagis spoke to reporters while he was in Washington to attend a meeting of the Carnegie Endowment.

Turkish President Abdullah Gul said, in a statement on his Web site, that the resolution was "unacceptable" and "doesn't fit a major power like the United States."

In a letter to Bush, Gul warned that "in the case that Armenian allegations are accepted, there will be serious problems in the relations between the two countries."

"We still hope that common sense will prevail and that the House of Representatives will not move this resolution any further," a statement on the Turkish Foreign Ministry Web site said.

The vote was also strongly criticized by Turkish newspapers, the AP reported. "Bill of Hatred," said Hurriyet's front page, while Vatan's headline read "27 Foolish Americans."

Undersecretary of State Nick Burns said Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice would call the Turkish leadership Thursday to express "deep disappointment" with the vote.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack issued a statement expressing "regret" for the committee's action, warning the resolution "may do grave harm to U.S.-Turkish relations and to U.S. interests in Europe and the Middle East."

The nonbinding House resolution says the deportation of nearly 2 million Armenians from the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1923, resulting in the deaths of 1.5 million of them, amounted to "genocide."

Turks strongly reject the genocide label, insisting there was no organized campaign against the Armenians and that many Turks also died in the chaos and violence of the period.

Ambassador Sensoy said the resolution's passage would be a "very injurious move to the psyche of the Turkish people."

He predicted a backlash in the country, saying there would be setbacks on several fronts: Turkish-American relations, Turkish-Armenian relations and the normalization of relations between the nations of Turkey and Armenia.

The resolution's sponsor, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, said the measure already had 226 co-sponsors, more than enough votes to pass "and the most support an Armenian genocide resolution has ever received."

A similar resolution passed the committee by a 40-7 vote two years ago, but it never reached the full House floor.


The resolution arrives at a particularly sensitive point in U.S.-Turkish relations. The United States has urged Turkey not to send its troops over the border into northern Iraq to fight Kurdish separatist rebels, who have launched some cross-border attacks against Turkish targets.

Observers of U.S.-Turkish relations have argued the House resolution could make Turkey less inclined to use restraint in dealing with its longstanding problems with the Kurdistan Workers Party. E-mail to a friend E-mail to a friend
 
It was a genocide.

US policy has always been to avoid calling it one.

I don't know why they are passing the resolution now, but I don't have a problem with it.
 
lol id think the dems would not want to piss off our few remaining muslim allies.

I'm not sure why this is a "threat" to turkey. The genocide is a historical fact. It might piss off the turks, but its hardly a threat.

As for the timing of it, who knows why they're doing it now. But, when IS there a good time to do it? We've pissed off the turks at least since 2003 with our policies in iraqi kurdistan, and we'll be pissing them off for years to come. There's never going to be a "good" time to do it.
 
Well, I just don't see a point if it's only destructive towards relations and not positive in any way.

Even today we hesitate to call current genocides what they are. I don't know if there is any positive outcome you can point to...but does the ability to lie about the past enable us to also lie about the present? And why is Turkey so adamant about this? They recalled their envoy?

There are also less grandiose considerations. I have read that Pelosi has a large Armenian population in her district.
 
Even today we hesitate to call current genocides what they are. I don't know if there is any positive outcome you can point to...but does the ability to lie about the past enable us to also lie about the present? And why is Turkey so adamant about this? They recalled their envoy?

There are also less grandiose considerations. I have read that Pelosi has a large Armenian population in her district.

Why does congress have to pass something so we can call it what it was though? We don't need their approval to call it a genocide...
 
Why does congress have to pass something so we can call it what it was though? We don't need their approval to call it a genocide...

That's true. Maybe to change unofficial us policy? It has been our policy not to call it a genocide. Bush called it one when he was running in 2000, probably because President Clinton wouldn't call it one. Now, bush won't call it one, wouldn't it be funny if Clinton started calling it one? I mean, that's how f'd in the head we are you know.
 
What good will it do to label it a genocide now?


Simply because Bush says we shouldn't.

One thing I've learned in the last six years, is that when bush says we should do something, we actually should do the exact opposite of what he suggests. Things work out better that way. ;)
 
This gains us abosultely nothing. It is political posturing and is going to do far more harm than good. Glad to see the Dem leaders in the House are spending time on such valuable topics.
 
This gains us abosultely nothing. It is political posturing and is going to do far more harm than good. Glad to see the Dem leaders in the House are spending time on such valuable topics.

Yes...they could be spending their time condemning moveon.org.
 
That's true. Maybe to change unofficial us policy? It has been our policy not to call it a genocide. Bush called it one when he was running in 2000, probably because President Clinton wouldn't call it one. Now, bush won't call it one, wouldn't it be funny if Clinton started calling it one? I mean, that's how f'd in the head we are you know.

Oh I know our politicians are f'ed in the head. Which is why I have been calling myself a Libertarian this past couple of years. I can't stand to watch this circus. It's why Ron Paul seems like a breath of fresh air to me even when he begins to sounds like the loony guy who thinks the constitution has all the answers.
 
Simply because Bush says we shouldn't.

One thing I've learned in the last six years, is that when bush says we should do something, we actually should do the exact opposite of what he suggests. Things work out better that way. ;)

Maybe he's using reverse pshycology and actually wants you to do it ;)
 
I just read up on the background.

Evidently, this isn't a spur of the moment thing. For years and years, resolutions about the armenian genocide have come up in the House, but the GOP leadership would never let it get voted on.

Now that the Dems have control, they appear to finally be ready to pass something recognizing the Armenian Genocide.
 
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