What are the Dems up to threatening Turkey?

[DigitalDave]

Our bill did have a role in turkeys decision because it was an indication to them that our relations have diminished and our relation with them is no longer essential in their decisions. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Damocles]

So, now we're back to saying that the house genocide bill DID directly played a role in turkey's decision to hold a vote on authorizing force? After I was lectured that "no one" ever said that, and was called a "fucking liar" for suggesting it?

You were lectured about saying that others in the thread said that the only reason they wanted to go into Iraq was because of the vote. Nobody at all said that, they said that the reason they are doing this right now, is in direct relation to the vote in Congress as they themselves warned.

They've wanted to do this for as long as Khurds wanted to cut a piece from their nation and started fighting for that. That doesn't change that only the state of the relations between our country kept them from moving on it, and if they felt that there may be no more relations between our nations they felt they no longer had a reason to hold themselves back.

Only people desperate for an excuse could take, "Don't do this, it will be bad for our nations relations!" to mean, It's okay, nothing you would do might make us change a thing.

 

[Cypress]

You were lectured about saying that others in the thread said that the only reason they wanted to go into Iraq was because of the vote. Nobody at all said that, they said that the reason they are doing this right now, is in direct relation to the vote in Congress as they themselves warned.

They've wanted to do this for as long as Khurds wanted to cut a piece from their nation and started fighting for that. That doesn't change that only the state of the relations between our country kept them from moving on it, and if they felt that there may be no more relations between our nations they felt they no longer had a reason to hold themselves back.

I never said the "only" reason the wanted to go into iraq was because of the vote. I was the one here on the thread explicity saying that turkey had LEGITIMATE reasons to attack PKK, with or without the Genocide bill. The genocide bill was largely irrelevant to any turkish decision to actually wage war.

Your bolded sentence appeart to back up what I said: that some here on this thread have claimed that the genocide bill provided the turks a reason to authorize military action. Which is exactly what I said earlier.

 

[Damocles]

I never said the "only" reason the wanted to go into iraq was because of the vote. I was the one here on the thread explicity saying that turkey had LEGITIMATE reasons to attack PKK, with or without the Genocide bill. The genocide bill was largely irrelevant to any turkish decision to actually wage war.

Your bolded sentence appeart to back up what I said: that some here on this thread have claimed that the genocide bill provided the turks a reason to authorize military action. Which is exactly what I said earlier.

Yet, we have been pointing out to you that there is direct cause and effect to the warning followed by the action.

You are simply pretending that Turkey may have held back because of the relations between the nations that were going to end if this vote went through. They already ended relations with France because of the same danged thing.

They are serious.

Then to say it wouldn't hurt our troops, bullocks!

 

[Litmus]

We shouldn't aquiesce to threats from two bit punks. Nuke their capital if they try shit. Im tired of all this sucking everyone's dick all around the world.

 

[Cypress]

Further, this whole thread was about blaming the Dems for detriorating diplomatic conditions with turkey, and linking the deterioration to the genocide bill.

First, as we all seem to agree, the turks aren't going to wage war simply because of some bill in a house panel. Second, the cause of the deteriorating diplomatic conditions with turkey is NOT becauuse of Nancy Pelosi or a House Panel. Those are barely even tangential. The cause of turkish frustation is bush's bungling of his war in iraq, and the consequences of his policies which have fostered kurdish nationalism and emboldened PKK

 

[Damocles]

One more time:

This is how you were 'lectured' about that statement:

The difference in those two statements is that the statement in #3 is correct in that I said the genocide vote LED to the turkish vote. The statement in number three says that the genocide vote played NO ROLE in the turkish vote.

ONE says there is a casual relationship. The other says there was NO casual relationship.

Note, this person also stated that there is a cause and effect situation happening at this moment. One that even those who supported this 'non-binding Resolution' see that there is and are backing away from it now. Only the most Yellow-Dog of the Democrats is still pretending that this couldn't and wouldn't effect things.