What are your thoughts on 2008?

WRL

WRL

Well...the right is right
Personally, my guess at this point is Hillery is the inevitable dim nominee, which puts the Republican party in a peculiar place. While a McCain, Thompson or Huckabee would traditionally be ahead at this point, the inevitability from the dims has Rudy leading the national polls, even though he's behind in the more Conservative area's. I believe the reason he leads in national polls is he's a middle of the road Republican, he will get more independent votes than someone further down the spectrum. Not only that, but it appears the dims may gain a few more seats in both houses, so not only do we need an electable Republican, we need a younger one, with the energy and articulation to fight both chambers of congress, and win. The single biggest problem we face today is the 9 trillion dollar debt, and with candidate Hillery, offering 3 grand to every new mother, and with quotes like "I have a million idea's, and the country can't afford them all, it's imperatively important for the strength of our dollar, and economy, our future, that Hillery Clinton be defeated.
 
The ironic thing is that if republicans had followed my (and others) advice for the last 7 years, instead of calling me traitor, the GOP would be in a great position for a semi-permanent majority.

If only they hadn't idiotically invaded iraq; if only the had followed Clintonian policies of paying down the national debt instead of handing out massive tax cuts to rich people; if only they had practiced good governance by installing competent technocratic professionals in key government positions (rather than installing incompent, corrupt, ideologues), they probably wouldn't be in the mess their in.

But my advice was dismissed as either treasonous or stupid. To bad you didn't take my advice.
 
Hillery Clinton voted and defended her vote to go to war in Iraq as well. Bill Clinton didn't author the balanced budget, however this was a forward looking question...
 
At this point, as a conservative, all potentials, suck. From the Democrat side, Biden is the best-hasn't a chance in hell.

On the Republican side, they all suck. Of all the sucktards, I would currently go with Rudy, but not without alot of drinking.
 
Kathianne said:
At this point, as a conservative, all potentials, suck. From the Democrat side, Biden is the best-hasn't a chance in hell.

On the Republican side, they all suck. Of all the sucktards, I would currently go with Rudy, but not without alot of drinking.
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Yes I'm more or less there myself, Rudy can reach votes the other candidates can't, and I don't think he'll do anything too stupid, at least in the first four years, he'll have to face the base again. I'm also considering McCain, even though I thought I never would, but given my options, McCain's looking better and better, I'm just afraid he'd be too old for the fight that's coming, or he'll compromise on the wrong things.
 
WRL said:
Yes I'm more or less there myself, Rudy can reach votes the other candidates can't, and I don't think he'll do anything too stupid, at least in the first four years, he'll have to face the base again. I'm also considering McCain, even though I thought I never would, but given my options, McCain's looking better and better, I'm just afraid he'd be too old for the fight that's coming, or he'll compromise on the wrong things.
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It will come and pass... and the world will be one year older... :cool:
 
Cypress said:
The ironic thing is that if republicans had followed my (and others) advice for the last 7 years, instead of calling me traitor, the GOP would be in a great position for a semi-permanent majority.

If only they hadn't idiotically invaded iraq; if only the had followed Clintonian policies of paying down the national debt instead of handing out massive tax cuts to rich people; if only they had practiced good governance by installing competent technocratic professionals in key government positions (rather than installing incompent, corrupt, ideologues), they probably wouldn't be in the mess their in.

But my advice was dismissed as either treasonous or stupid. To bad you didn't take my advice.
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Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back there fellah. You weren't exactly the only guy on Earth who knew they were fucking up every step of the way, but yes, indeed, you were right.
 
Beefy said:
Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back there fellah. You weren't exactly the only guy on Earth who knew they were fucking up every step of the way, but yes, indeed, you were right.
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Personally I believe I was right, I was blaming Gen. Casey's strategy long ago, he's now gone, and we have a new general and strategy and look at what six short months has given us with a competent strategy. Maineman and myself used to go back and forth at how great Casey was, it's becoming painfully obvious where the problem lay.
 
Beefy said:
Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back there fellah. You weren't exactly the only guy on Earth who knew they were fucking up every step of the way, but yes, indeed, you were right.
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that's why I wrote: "myself (and others)"

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WRL said:
Well at this point I'm at either Rudy or McCain.
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To hell with Rudy. The only thing he's do right is appoint conservative justices, and any ole Republican can do that! Although Bush tried to do a little cronyism and appoint the unqualified Harriet Myers...

If not Dr. Paul, then Romney or Huckabee.
 
I just don't think Huckabee can win, Romney would be close but I don't have great confidence in his ability to pull it off. Although Huckabee was great in the CNN debate.
 
WRL said:
Personally I believe I was right, I was blaming Gen. Casey's strategy long ago, he's now gone, and we have a new general and strategy and look at what six short months has given us with a competent strategy. Maineman and myself used to go back and forth at how great Casey was, it's becoming painfully obvious where the problem lay.
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No amount of strategy was significantly going to change the Iraq invasion from a disaster to a success. Maybe from a disaster to a slightly smaller disaster. The Iraq war really is the defining issue of this election. And it is why Rudy loses, to Hillary, as does McCain (he doesn't have a prayer), and as does Huckabee.

Bottom line, the Republicans have royally screwed themselves, and they're about to be rendered impotent. Its unfortunate that they so botched their rule. Now they've set spending precedents that the Democrats are going to take to even higher levels.

The Republicans of the new millenium were the most fiscally irresponsible entity this world has ever seen, ever, and by a wide margin. And they've set the stage for single party rule from the Democrats.

Congratulations Larry.
 
Hillery has admitted the surge has succeeded, John Murtha has admitted the surge has succeeded, even though he won't apologize for calling the acquitted Marines murderers. The surge is succeeding, and we will win. Bottom line.

And I can point to a poll that has all 5 top Republican candidates beating Hillery Clinton. Besides I believe it was Obama who came up with the best line for this election, are we as a country really at a place where we elect Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton?
 
WRL said:
I just don't think Huckabee can win, Romney would be close but I don't have great confidence in his ability to pull it off. Although Huckabee was great in the CNN debate.
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To date, the only impressive thing about Giuliani has been his ability to perform in the debates. He had pretty much owned in every debate until the last one where he fell really flat. Granted, Romney really sucked in the debate as well.

Everyone else looked much better. Even Tancredo looked less insane for a change. Thompson looked good for the first time, and yes, Huckabee looked like Giuliani has looked up till then - even better I would say, since he was saying things I can agree with.
 
I too thought Thompson was good, however he doesn't seem up to the fight I eluded to earlier...
 
WRL said:
Hillery has admitted the surge has succeeded, John Murtha has admitted the surge has succeeded, even though he won't apologize for calling the acquitted Marines murderers. The surge is succeeding, and we will win. Bottom line.

And I can point to a poll that has all 5 top Republican candidates beating Hillery Clinton. Besides I believe it was Obama who came up with the best line for this election, are we as a country really at a place where we elect Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton?
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I'm speaking from a place of political expedience Larry, but I would like to see where Hillary and Murtha "admit the surge is succeeding", but that's largely irrelevant as to who can beat Clinton in the general next year.

What about the spending Larry? Aren't you just a little pissed at the Republicans for their spending? Doesn't it alarm you that the Democrats will have the White House and Congress , and be coming off a 2.7 TRILLION dollar budget? Don't you hold your politician responsible, at all, ever?

The Republicans have fucked themselves and this country. I would vote Republican, but only if they nominate Paul.
 
I do, but you have to take into consideration Bush has had to deal with more s*it than any Pres since FDR as well.
 
WRL said:
I do, but you have to take into consideration Bush has had to deal with more s*it than any Pres since FDR as well.
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Starting wars, increasing spending beyond belief, wiretapping Americans, you know, that type of shit does make you have to deal with blowback.

The problem is, Bush had an (R) congress, and thus thought he was untouchable. But, fucking up your country, it turns out, has consequences.

Dealing with shit? Yeah, dealing with his own shitpile that he created, willingly. Don't try to place blame anywhere but on W. He's the culprit Larry, he's the guy that caused the shitstorm.
 
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