What did Ahmadinejad say?

[cawacko]

LOL. Krugman is a pro-free trader, so maybe it's not him who is "off the charts economically"?

Are liberals to be discounted in this country Cawacko? Are they dogshit? Oh look at his website, he's got links to "liberal sites". What do you want to do, put him in Gitmo? Or just claim that because he might be liberal, he couldn't possibly have a legitimate or correct opinion about anything?

It's not that liberals are to be discounted. I don't view politics as all right-wing positions are correct and all left-wing positions are wrong.

But Cypress often makes a point of telling others to post from a "mainstream non-bias edsite" as in no right-wing sites. If that is his position I'm just calling it out when he posts from left-wing sites or from liberals.

 

[Cypress]

They are capable of understanding that a controversy began and correcting an error, yet they let stand their translation.

And what I posted was also from that wiki article. You ignore the pieces you don't like then attempt to accuse me of the same. I believe that the good Doctor might have an agenda of their own, and I believe that the official Iranian translation holds a bit more water than a suggested translation by somebody else attempting to make them appear better for some reason.

The dude is talking "big", he does that often. He isn't going to attack Israel, nor is their "regime" going to disappear magically because he says this stuff.

Like WMD in Iraq bluff and bluster doesn't make a threat. One doesn't have to redefine their own translation of what he said to deny the enormity of the "threat" level.

I think whatever was said in Farsi, and in a persian context (free of english idioms) was probably something outrageous. Something about wanting to see the "zionist" regime collapse.

I also doubt that he said anything that could reasonably be interpreted as calling for an attack or a war on israel.

I think it was bluster. And it's the type of bluster we see from a lot of arab countries with regard to israel. I object simply to NeoCons holding this up on a pedestal as a way to beat the war drums for iran.

 

[Damocles]

I think whatever was said in Farsi, and in a persian context (free of english idioms) was probably something outrageous. Something about wanting to see the "zionist" regime collapse.

I also doubt that he said anything that could reasonably be interpreted as calling for an attack or a war on israel.

I think it was bluster. And it's the type of bluster we see from a lot of arab countries with regard to israel. I object simply to NeoCons holding this up on a pedestal as a way to beat the war drums for iran.

Did you read my post? We agree it was bluster. We disagree on the translation.

And just saying that isn't a declaration of war.

 

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"And how do you, once in the center, figure out what is slightly left of center, and what is "off the charts"?

You really can't."

Sure you can... all you have to do is find out who Cypress agrees with.... THEY are off the charts. See... relatively simple.

 

[Cancel7]

It's not that liberals are to be discounted. I don't view politics as all right-wing positions are correct and all left-wing positions are wrong.

But Cypress often makes a point of telling others to post from a "mainstream non-bias edsite" as in no right-wing sites. If that is his position I'm just calling it out when he posts from left-wing sites or from liberals.

LOL

Ok, I see what you are doing now. You always do this with him and one or two others, i forgot actually.

 

[cawacko]

Originally Posted by cawacko
I don't put Cole and Krugman is the same group. Krugman is so far off the charts economically he gives Mao, Lenin and Castro wet dreams.




You've got to be kidding.

Do you read his columns? For some reason I do. He is a major supporter of the welfare state. He wants (large) tax increases. He wants a single-payer health care system. He wants more government subsidies for housing. He wants more government involvement in the economy period.

Now comparing him to Lenin may be an overstatement but calling him a big time liberal is not.

 

[Cypress]

Did you read my post? We agree it was bluster. We disagree on the translation.

And just saying that isn't a declaration of war.

Oh, sorry. I should have said, that I was largely agreeing with you. I didn't specifically state that.

 

[Cancel7]

"And how do you, once in the center, figure out what is slightly left of center, and what is "off the charts"?

You really can't."

Sure you can... all you have to do is find out who Cypress agrees with.... THEY are off the charts. See... relatively simple.

Seriously, Krugman is left of center, but Krugman is not commie or marxist. The guy is a free-trader. That's enough to seriously piss off plenty of leftists, believe me.

I love Krugman. I'd faint of I ever ran into him in a book store or something. He's brilliant. But he's not "off the charts". Of course, to CATO, I agree, he probably is.

 

[Cypress]

Do you read his columns? For some reason I do. He is a major supporter of the welfare state. He wants (large) tax increases. He wants a single-payer health care system. He wants more government subsidies for housing. He wants more government involvement in the economy period.

Now comparing him to Lenin may be an overstatement but calling him a big time liberal is not.

Do you read his columns? For some reason I do. He is a major supporter of the welfare state. He wants (large) tax increases. He wants a single-payer health care system. He wants more government subsidies for housing.


I hate to tell you this Cawacko, but if you travel through most of the developed world - Finland, Norway, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand - you'll find that people and leaders in these countries largely agree with Krugman on these topics.

So, are you saying that most of the people, and most of the leaders of the developed western world, are far to the left of Mao and Castro?

 

[Lao Tse]

I was mocking Ass. Everythings Jewish to him.

So why, on several occasions, have you had a break from reality and attempted to "be" me? You said you were me. you assumed a charicature of my persona. That was weird too. It's all very gayish and a bit scary.

 

[Cancel7]

Do you read his columns? For some reason I do. He is a major supporter of the welfare state. He wants (large) tax increases. He wants a single-payer health care system. He wants more government subsidies for housing. He wants more government involvement in the economy period.

Now comparing him to Lenin may be an overstatement but calling him a big time liberal is not.

Cawacko, you better get used to that health care thing. He is not out of the mainstream by any means there. That's coming. It's a lot like the end of segregation. At some point, the only question was, how long can the southern block hold it off?

And what he wants is to roll back the top 2% of bush's tax CUTS. And i really find it a bit disingenuous when that's not mentioned. You will also find, he is not out of the mainstream in that.

 

[Cancel7]

So why, on several occasions, have you had a break from reality and attempted to "be" me? You said you were me. you assumed a charicature of my persona. That was weird too. It's all very gayish and a bit scary.

Run upstairs and ask mommy to hold you.

If she's too busy, see if you can get a lollipop from her.

You're going to be ok.

 

[Cypress]

In fairness, the bush economic hit team, has perhaps, made Krugman appear "off the charts". When in fact, it is they who are off the charts. But if you are off the charts yourself, how do you find the center? And how do you, once in the center, figure out what is slightly left of center, and what is "off the charts"?

You really can't.

I agree.

Krugman is your standard, vanilla-flavored, left of center economist.

It's ridiculous to proclaim that he farther left than Mao.

 

[cawacko]

Do you read his columns? For some reason I do. He is a major supporter of the welfare state. He wants (large) tax increases. He wants a single-payer health care system. He wants more government subsidies for housing.


I hate to tell you this Cawacko, but if you travel through most of the developed world - Finland, Norway, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand - you'll find that people and leaders in these countries largely agree with Krugman on these topics.

So, are you saying that most of the people, and most of the leaders of the developed western world, are far to the left of Mao and Castro?

I said at the end of my post that it was an overstatement to compare him to Lenin and the governments of Western Europe are not Communists.
But yes Krugman is a big time liberal economically and yes the governments of Western Europe are just as liberal.

 

[Cypress]

I said at the end of my post that it was an overstatement to compare him to Lenin and the governments of Western Europe are not Communists.
But yes Krugman is a big time liberal economically and yes the governments of Western Europe are just as liberal.

Okay, thanks.

I'm not sure what a big time liberal is. I think what krugman advocates, is supported by a majority (in some cases overwhelming majorities) with regard to social security, and healthcare. So if "big time liberal" means being in a group where 60 to 70% of americans agree with you, I guess this is a pretty left of center country.

On trade policy, I've always though krugman was very centrist. Sort of a mellower version of those "neo-liberal" "free"-trader DLC types.

 

[cawacko]

In fairness, the bush economic hit team, has perhaps, made Krugman appear "off the charts". When in fact, it is they who are off the charts. But if you are off the charts yourself, how do you find the center? And how do you, once in the center, figure out what is slightly left of center, and what is "off the charts"?

You really can't.

What has Bush done economically that has been off the charts free market? Yes he cut taxes. And he did attempt (very poorly) to add personal accounts to Social Security.

He also dramatically increased spending and his drug program was off the charts expensive. He slapped tarriffs on steel during his first term. I'm drawing a blank at the moment on his other non free market economic policies of his but I will think of them later.

 

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"Seriously, Krugman is left of center, but Krugman is not commie or marxist. The guy is a free-trader. That's enough to seriously piss off plenty of leftists, believe me.

I love Krugman. I'd faint of I ever ran into him in a book store or something. He's brilliant. But he's not "off the charts". Of course, to CATO, I agree, he probably is."

I agree that Krugman is not "off the charts"... I was being a bit of an ass... just taking a shot at Cypress. What can I say... I'm evil.

 

[Cancel7]

What has Bush done economically that has been off the charts free market? Yes he cut taxes. And he did attempt (very poorly) to add personal accounts to Social Security.

He also dramatically increased spending and his drug program was off the charts expensive. He slapped tarriffs on steel during his first term. I'm drawing a blank at the moment on his other non free market economic policies of his but I will think of them later.

Well, other than bankrutped us in a lie of a war? He not only tried to privatize SS, privatization was also his "solution" to the healt care crisis. You haven't forgotten the personal medical accounts, where you were going to save up for years, and this way if you had a massive heart attack, after years of saving, you might just have enough to cover the medflights to get you to a trauma center before you were dead.

He cut EPA funding, clean water funding, and has funded on average, half the superfund cleanups as were performed during the Clinton years.

He has also attempted to cut the VA budget DURING A TIME OF WAR, and the Republican Congress had to step in. He has cut LIHEAP and is attempting to cut it this year by 56%! And you want to then turn around and say "Krugman wants to give more money to social programs" as if it had not context! That drives me crazy. More money? Or the same money as we used to give before these lunatics got in office? How about some damned context?

He has cut, and continues to cut Medicaid and Medicare, and the burden is falling on the states. If you live in a state like NY, you are probably going to be ok. If you live in Alabama, well, you are going to die. So make sure you eat well and don't smoke.

He has cut money for securing loose nukes, in order to transfer that money into building more of own nukes, becasue we don't have enough of those, and we shouldn't be worried about the old russian ones on the black market.

I could go on and on and on all day. My point is, Cawacko, the ideology which you expouse and is shared by the Bush adminstration, is not mainstream, it is "off the charts". Pray that the American people never get all the details. It's not Krugman, it's you. Read some polls, and figure out if this is what mainstream america wants.

 

[Cancel7]

"Seriously, Krugman is left of center, but Krugman is not commie or marxist. The guy is a free-trader. That's enough to seriously piss off plenty of leftists, believe me.

I love Krugman. I'd faint of I ever ran into him in a book store or something. He's brilliant. But he's not "off the charts". Of course, to CATO, I agree, he probably is."

I agree that Krugman is not "off the charts"... I was being a bit of an ass... just taking a shot at Cypress. What can I say... I'm evil.

Yes, that part I know.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

"Well, other than bankrutped us in a lie of a war? He not only tried to privatize SS, privatization was also his "solution" to the healt care crisis. You haven't forgotten the personal medical accounts, where you were going to save up for years, and this way if you had a massive heart attack, after years of saving, you might just have enough to cover the medflights to get you to a trauma center before you were dead."

Actually, the HSA accounts are meant for the minor expenses. They are complemented with catastrophic care insurance to cover something major. This is how I have my healthcare covered. It is ideal for individuals like myself that do not get sick often. They also allow you to invest in the market if you choose or you can leave it in a money market fund. Bottom line though, I do not pay taxes on my contributions to the HSA.

I think for anyone without children, this structure is ideal.

As for privatizing Social security. We should have the option to do so. Remember, privatization does NOT mean you have to put your money in the market. It just means the government wouldn't be able to continue dipping into the SS fund. If you think the market is bad for SS, keep in mind that the politicians are going to bankrupt SS over the next 30 years or so.