What does the New Testament say about homosexuality? Short answer: "Nothing"

[Sammy Jankis]

There's no such thing as "trans".

so trans surgery is obejectively just a sterilization procedure.

and Nazis love sterilization.

errgo proctor ad hoc sum ziggurat

 

[gmark77]

I think you meant to post this under the Into the Night name. Since that's what he's been posting a lot lately.

 

[gmark77]

There's no such thing as "trans".

Why do you say that?

 

[gfm7175]

I think you meant to post this under the Into the Night name. Since that's what he's been posting a lot lately.

 

[gmark77]

Forgot to tell me what "fallacy" I committed.

 

[gfm7175]

Why do you say that?

Because "trans" is not a gender. It doesn't exist (only male and female exist).

 

[gmark77]

Because "trans" is not a gender. It doesn't exist (only male and female exist).

The minute one of your family members whom you are close to says "You know, I don't feel right in my body" you'll become a believer. Just like Dick Cheney discovered that gay people are real humans when his daughter showed up as gay.

It's a tale as old as time. You don't believe in other people's experience until it touches you personally.

Being an effective adult means understanding that sometimes people can feel things you don't feel. Doesn't mean they aren't real, it just means it isn't you.

Rather than telling others what is real or now, why not take some time to thank your God that you weren't born with gender dysphoria.

 

[gfm7175]

The minute one of your family members whom you are close to says "You know, I don't feel right in my body" you'll become a believer.

... of what??

Just like Dick Cheney discovered that gay people are real humans when his daughter showed up as gay.

Liz Cheney is anything BUT gay... she's a miserable sap who refused to represent the will of the citizens of the great State of Wyoming.

It's a tale as old as time. You don't believe in other people's experience until it touches you personally.

Being an effective adult means understanding that sometimes people can feel things you don't feel. Doesn't mean they aren't real, it just means it isn't you.

Subjective feelings do not add genders.

Rather than telling others what is real or now, why not take some time to thank your God that you weren't born with gender dysphoria.

Mental illness does not add genders.

 

[gmark77]

Liz Cheney is anything BUT gay...

Nor did I say Liz Cheney.

It's almost as if you don't know anything about the topic. Huh. It was MARY CHeney who came out as gay.

Are you really this uninformed?

 

[gfm7175]

Nor did I say Liz Cheney.

You said daughter; I assumed that 'daughter' meant Liz since she was the prominent political figure.

It's almost as if you don't know anything about the topic. Huh. It was MARY CHeney who came out as gay.

What topic? The Cheney family? I'll admit that you got me there. My knowledge of the Cheney family is limited to Dick & Liz and their time as prominent political figures. I couldn't care less about their personal lives let alone any other family members of theirs.

Are you really this uninformed?

About the Cheney family? Yes, because I don't give two hoots about them.

With regard to what The Bible (specifically the New Testament) says about homosexuality, I'm much more informed. Homosexuality is an abomination unto God.

 

[gmark77]

You said daughter; I assumed that 'daughter' meant Liz since she was the prominent political figure.

So you are uninformed and it's my fault?

With regard to what The Bible (specifically the New Testament) says about homosexuality, I'm much more informed. Homosexuality is an abomination unto God.

Oh, I KNOW what the Bible says about homosexuality and I agree that God clearly states it is abomination. Which is one of the things that makes God illogical and hence less likely to be real.

I see no value whatsoever in worshipping something that makes no logical sense. Either God so loved all the world or he finds some people he created to be abominations.

 

[gfm7175]

So you are uninformed

... about the Cheney family? Yes. I don't give two shits about them.

and it's my fault?

Not at all. It's my own personal choice to not pay any attention to them.

Oh, I KNOW what the Bible says about homosexuality and I agree that God clearly states it is abomination.

Okay.

Which is one of the things that makes God illogical and hence less likely to be real.

What exactly is illogical about homosexuality being an abomination unto God?

Homosexuality is counter-productive to God's command to "be fruitful and multiply" as well as God's design for how Adam (man) and Eve (woman) perfectly compliment one another. It also runs counter to God's design for marriage and how marriage mirrors the Church's (wife) relationship with Jesus (husband).

I see no value whatsoever in worshipping something that makes no logical sense.

I think that you are elevating your own (limited) understanding too highly, even putting it above God.

You have to admit that at least SOME aspects of God make logical sense to you, right? (e.g. "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you")... PRAISE GOD!! Why? Because that's a starting point to understanding God.

Then, with regard to the aspects of God that don't make logical sense to you (often due to misunderstandings), I suggest counting it joy whenever you run into such aspects of God; it's an opportunity to LEARN more about God and to gain a deeper understanding of God's nature and his overarching plan/purpose for you.

Either God so loved all the world

Yes. God loves the world (including humanity) very much. God even created humanity in his own image/likeness, a VERY high honor!

or he finds some people he created to be abominations.

This is where you keep getting it wrong. God only directly created Adam and Eve. They were both perfect upon their creation (the exact OPPOSITE of "abominations"). God then commanded those two to "be fruitful and multiply". They obeyed that command (but didn't obey the "don't eat this particular fruit" command). Their disobedience brought sin into the world.

Humanity is God's "crowning jewel" creation; he does NOT consider humanity (or any particular human) to be an abomination. He does, however, consider homosexuality (a human choosing to have sex with another human of the same gender) to be an abomination, as it is a purposeful deviation away from his intended purpose for man (e.g. Adam) and woman (e.g. Eve) to 'become one', perfectly complimenting each other (a "help meet"), and to procreate ("be fruitful and multiply").

It makes perfect logical sense once you have a better understanding of God.

 

[gmark77]

What exactly is illogical about homosexuality being an abomination unto God?

I explained it to you. Were the words too big?

Homosexuality is counter-productive to God's command to "be fruitful and multiply"

So am I. My wife and I SPECIFICALLY and EXPLICITLY didn't want children so I got snipped years ago. Does that make me an "abomination"?

I think that you are elevating your own (limited) understanding too highly, even putting it above God.

Then I'm sure God can show me the way. Or not. Seems he is OK with me continuing to be confused. If only there was a way for him to communicate to me.

You have to admit that at least SOME aspects of God make logical sense to you, right? (e.g. "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you")...

Luke 6:31 runs up against a problem when you read 1 Sam 15:3.

PRAISE GOD!! Why? Because that's a starting point to understanding God.

Read 1 Samuel 15:3 and tell me about "praising God".

Yes. God loves the world (including humanity) very much.

Except for where he drowned EVERYONE except Noah and his fam. Or when he ordered the Israelites to commit genocide NUMEROUS times in the OT. Or where he gives advice about how to go about treating your slaves. Or when he decrees some humans 'abominations'.

God even created humanity in his own image/likeness, a VERY high honor!

In his image? Is that why we are imperfect beings liable to sin?

Humanity is God's "crowning jewel" creation; he does NOT consider humanity (or any particular human) to be an abomination.

Unless he needs, say, every Amalekite child to be murdered in his or her crib....

He does, however, consider homosexuality (a human choosing to have sex with another human of the same gender) to be an abomination, as it is a purposeful deviation away from his intended purpose for man (e.g. Adam) and woman (e.g. Eve) to 'become one', perfectly complimenting each other (a "help meet"), and to procreate ("be fruitful and multiply").

Tell us that you've never talked to a gay person without saying you never talked to a gay person.

It makes perfect logical sense once you have a better understanding of God.

No, what you have created is a cartoon that doesn't bear any resemblance to reality. All based on a fairy tale.

 

[gfm7175]

I explained it to you. Were the words too big?

No you didn't. You've only repeatedly presented the very same "some people are abominations" misunderstanding over and over and over and over again, even though I've corrected you over and over and over and over again. Obviously you are incapable of learning about the Christian faith and have chosen to attack your own misunderstanding of it instead.

So am I. My wife and I SPECIFICALLY and EXPLICITLY didn't want children so I got snipped years ago. Does that make me an "abomination"?

No, because you're not having sex with other men, and there was never a command for everyone to procreate.

Then I'm sure God can show me the way. Or not. Seems he is OK with me continuing to be confused.

Why are you sitting around waiting for God to do all the work FOR you? Why don't you try to put in some effort on YOUR end for a change?

Seek out God with a humble and open heart. Pray to him. Let him know that you are confused and lack understanding. Ask that he send his Holy Spirit to indwell you and provide you with the understanding that you currently lack so that you can better carry out his will for your life.

This time on Earth is short, and tomorrow is not guaranteed, so the time to start seeking a relationship with God (and information about how to best carry out God's will for your life) is right now.

If only there was a way for him to communicate to me.

There is, and it's called prayer. Reading the Bible is another great way to get to know God better.

And why are you sitting around waiting for him to "communicate TO you"? Why don't you try communicating WITH him for a change? Why don't you try studying his written word as recorded in the Holy Bible? Is this also how you treat other people? Do you refuse to communicate with them if they don't "communicate TO you" first?

Luke 6:31 runs up against a problem when you read 1 Sam 15:3.

No it doesn't. While it can seem like a problem on the very surface level, it's actually not a problem at all if you approach it with an open heart and a desire to learn about God's nature and who God truly is.

Read 1 Samuel 15:3 and tell me about "praising God".

PRAISE GOD for his divine and perfect justice that he brought onto the Amalekites! (for their continued sin, such as their continued attacks, cruelty, and hatred towards God's people ever since their exodus from Egypt)

PRAISE GOD for keeping his promise to have war with Amalek! (Exodus 17:14-16, Deuteronomy 25:17-19)

Except for where he drowned EVERYONE except Noah and his fam.

There's no contradiction here. John 3:16 highlights God's love for the world (including humanity) and his overarching redemption plan for it. The Genesis flood account highlights God's justice and his punishing of the widespread wickedness of that time.

God's love and God's judgement are not mutually exclusive.

Or when he ordered the Israelites to commit genocide NUMEROUS times in the OT.

God's justice (using the Israelites to carry it out). See above.

Or where he gives advice about how to go about treating your slaves.

The slavery that took place during those times was not the same slavery that took place during the early/mid 1800s in the USA [the Bible indirectly condemns that specific type of slavery]. In fact, the OT/NT "slavery" was more-so similar to indentured servitude (and was regularly used as a manner of paying off debt). Those people were treated compassionately (mandated by law).

The Bible's regulation of slavery is a good example of one particular purpose of God's law (which is instructions for how to best navigate life in a fallen world).

Or when he decrees some humans 'abominations'.

This "decree" only exists within your own imagination. I've already corrected this particular error of yours countless times, so I will not do so again.

In his image?

Yes.

Is that why we are imperfect beings liable to sin?

No.

Unless he needs, say, every Amalekite child to be murdered in his or her crib....

Already addressed (see above).

Tell us that you've never talked to a gay person without saying you never talked to a gay person.

I talk to gay people all the time. Unlike yourself, plenty of people are generally happy.

No, what you have created is a cartoon that doesn't bear any resemblance to reality. All based on a fairy tale.

I didn't create anything; Christianity has existed long before I ever did.

 

[Margot]

lol it's the Bible, moron. Sucks it won't see any big rewrites just to suit cranks and deviants, eh?

The Bible gets misinterpreted Daily! In the last two days ,I have been told Jesus is Elijah,Jesus is Apollyon!

 

[gmark77]

No it doesn't. While it can seem like a problem on the very surface level, it's actually not a problem at all if you approach it with an open heart and a desire to learn about God's nature and who God truly is.

LOL. Why don't you actually READ the verse in 1 Sam and THEN come back with an answer.

PRAISE GOD for his divine and perfect justice that he brought onto the Amalekites!

So murdering innocent Amalekite infants is "perfect justice"? Interesting claim.

(for their continued sin,

Ahhh, infants sinning so badly they have to be murdered by soldiers. Those are some bad infants.

such as their continued attacks, cruelty, and hatred towards God's people ever since their exodus from Egypt)

You know there's almost zero archeological evidence of large scale Jewish enslavement in Egypt let alone the Exodus, right?

There's no contradiction here. John 3:16 highlights God's love for the world (including humanity) and his overarching redemption plan for it. The Genesis flood account highlights God's justice and his punishing of the widespread wickedness of that time.

So many innocent children slaughtered. Makes me think the "Pro-Lifers" may be acting AGAINST the Bible.

The slavery that took place during those times was not the same slavery

LOL. Standard dodge. So tell me: how much of YOUR freedom would you willingly give up? None? Yet you think it was "OK fine" for others in the ancient world?

I talk to gay people all the time.

well, now try LISTENING when they talk.

I didn't create anything; Christianity has existed long before I ever did.

Christianity is usually created by the believer. That's how all religions function.