What evidence exists that unity is possible?

NiftyNiblick

NiftyNiblick

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Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
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America needs leadership. The fascist fantasy will fall away.
 
votebiden said:
America needs leadership. The fascist fantasy will fall away.
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When people want totally different things, will they accept leadership that doesn't give them what they want?

Let's take morality out of it and say that the desires of both sides are equally moral.
That's bullshit, of course, but let's pretend it were so.
Now we're not talking right or wrong, but we still have people who will never tolerate the other side's concept of a livable society.

How is it not better to go separate ways so that both sides, instead of neither, have a chance for peace?

People in Middle America don't think like people on the coasts, closer to more cosmopolitan cultures.
We just ended up that way by trying to form a multi-cultural society without determining if those cultures are even minimally compatible.

I just had a celebratory feast over the dethroning of Trump, but in reality, things don't look at all that they'll be much better.
It's still two VERY ANGRY factions...and so it will remain in all of our lifetimes.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
When people want totally different things, will they accept leadership that doesn't give them what they want?

Let's take morality out of it and say that the desires of both sides are equally moral.
That's bullshit, of course, but let's pretend it were so.
Now we're not talking right or wrong, but we still have people who will never tolerate the other side's concept of a livable society.

How is it not better to go separate ways so that both sides, instead of neither, have a chance for peace?

People in Middle America don't think like people on the coasts, closer to more cosmopolitan cultures.
We just ended up that way by trying to form a multi-cultural society without determining if those cultures are even minimally compatible.

I just had a celebratory feast over the dethroning of Trump, but in reality, things don't look at all that they'll be much better.
It's still two VERY ANGRY factions...and so it will remain in all of our lifetimes.
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Change in demographics. Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, all voted for Biden. that's a big block
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
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No evidence except the minority waking up.
 
If the Progressive Left of the Democrat party is running the show, unity is impossible. If the few moderates left in the Democrat party can sway things their direction, maybe. But that is unlikely as they are a distinct minority in that party now.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
When people want totally different things, will they accept leadership that doesn't give them what they want?

Let's take morality out of it and say that the desires of both sides are equally moral.
That's bullshit, of course, but let's pretend it were so.
Now we're not talking right or wrong, but we still have people who will never tolerate the other side's concept of a livable society.

How is it not better to go separate ways so that both sides, instead of neither, have a chance for peace?

People in Middle America don't think like people on the coasts, closer to more cosmopolitan cultures.
We just ended up that way by trying to form a multi-cultural society without determining if those cultures are even minimally compatible.

I just had a celebratory feast over the dethroning of Trump, but in reality, things don't look at all that they'll be much better.
It's still two VERY ANGRY factions...and so it will remain in all of our lifetimes.
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You bring up some very good & troubling points....

I would say the short answer is because we must.....

The USA cannot afford not to...

A divided country is not going to be able to defeat a rising China, simply a fact..........

So fools can quibble & fight in the ashes oblivious they have already both lost the fight or they can unite as their ancestors have done & stepUP to the challenges ahead......

It won't be easy & the stupid ppl would rather just fight, but we shouldn't be following stupid ppl anywayz............
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
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There is no need to even try. Trump's sycophantic supporters are hopeless lovers of authoritarianism who stood by and said nothing as he attempted to destroy the USPS in order to steal the election. Not a shred of patriotism between the lot of them. They are the minority who has had their 15 minutes and now its over! They support the POS who lied about a fatal virus which caused a death tally that equals eighty-one 911's and sixty-thousand Benghazis. Screw 'em as they belong on the fringes forevermore. History will look back on them with revulsion.
 
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NiftyNiblick said:
Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
Click to expand...

I don't think the divide is as bad as the media presents it to be and despite Trump's most earnest attempt to present otherwise. My coworkers are divided politically but they get along. Same with my family.

Realistically, we all have the same goals. We all want to live free in a free, economically prosperous, and safe society. The difference is in how we approach this goal. If people can learn to talk again without the rhetoric and the conspiracy theories, we can move forward.
 
1. Try to have a more positive attitude.
2. Most of us believe in Brotherhood and that we are all Americans.
3. The 'split' seems to be roughly a 'Rural/Urban Divide'. So your 'Partition' divide doesn't make sense.
4. Your 'Violence' suggestion seems more like something Russian Stooge Anatta would say.

Reading more into the 'Rural/Urban Divide' would be Property Ownership versus Tenant ... or more bluntly: 'Haves'*and the 'Have Nots'.




NiftyNiblick said:
Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
Click to expand...
 
Bill said:
You bring up some very good & troubling points....

I would say the short answer is because we must.....

The USA cannot afford not to...

A divided country is not going to be able to defeat a rising China, simply a fact..........

So fools can quibble & fight in the ashes oblivious they have already both lost the fight or they can unite as their ancestors have done & stepUP to the challenges ahead......

It won't be easy & the stupid ppl would rather just fight, but we shouldn't be following stupid ppl anywayz............
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Agree.
 
Michael_Panetta said:
I don't think the divide is as bad as the media presents it to be and despite Trump's most earnest attempt to present otherwise. My coworkers are divided politically but they get along. Same with my family.

Realistically, we all have the same goals. We all want to live free in a free, economically prosperous, and safe society. The difference is in how we approach this goal. If people can learn to talk again without the rhetoric and the conspiracy theories, we can move forward.
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Do you have a solution for the Worker Drone Class that have the Biggest Employers of Walmart and Amazon? (There was a time when America exported Cars, TVs, Clothing, Refrigerators, Steel to the world)
 
Jack said:
Do you have a solution for the Worker Drone Class that have the Biggest Employers of Walmart and Amazon? (There was a time when America exported Cars, TVs, Clothing, Refrigerators, Steel to the world)
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I'm part of the "worker drone class" myself. I didn't know my existence needed a solution.
 
Bill said:
You bring up some very good & troubling points....

I would say the short answer is because we must.....

The USA cannot afford not to...

A divided country is not going to be able to defeat a rising China, simply a fact..........

So fools can quibble & fight in the ashes oblivious they have already both lost the fight or they can unite as their ancestors have done & stepUP to the challenges ahead......

It won't be easy & the stupid ppl would rather just fight, but we shouldn't be following stupid ppl anywayz............
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I appreciate the fact that you comported yourself that way during Trump's first four years........you are a role model all of your peers should follow.....
 
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