What evidence exists that unity is possible?

NiftyNiblick said:
Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.
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For the Left, "Unity" means only one thing: "Embrace our way of thinking or we will destroy you".
 
Matt Dillon said:
Things change. They can change for the better. Obama started this divide.
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Are you kidding? Obama? WTF, Slavery started the divide and right-wing hate kept it alive for over 2 centuries. Read rightys on this board with the hate and vitriol they espouse. They just have to learn people are people and should are equals and they are entitled to the same rights the whites have.
 
Nordberg said:
Are you kidding? Obama? WTF, Slavery started the divide and right-wing hate kept it alive for over 2 centuries. Read rightys on this board with the hate and vitriol they espouse. They just have to learn people are people and should are equals and they are entitled to the same rights the whites have.
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Classic projection. Trump has the psychology of an adolescent.

Accuse Trump of racism? Yeah?! Biden is the racist!!!!!
 
PoliTalker said:
America is fabulously livable. It merely falls on each individual to put together their own lovable life. It is entirely possible. Most Americans do not want to break up the country.
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It appears that our standards of acceptability, PoliTalker, have virtually no overlap. I don't see any at all.

You don't find the 70 million+ Trump voters to be as vile as Trump himself. I do, and I make not a single exception.
I have purged friends of fifty years and more, close to violently in some cases, from my life---with no regrets other than having once been that poor of a character judge in choosing friends.

You can be happy living in a nation with all those Trumpanzees slithering around in it. I would never want to be that tolerant of disgracefulness and perversion.
I know of no mechanism that I can apply to reduce my standards to that level.
Everything must be valued in qualitative terms. There is no absolute value to life. Having voted for Trump is a perfect indication of having a valueless life,

You say that most Americans don't want to partition, but I would bring to your attention my perfectly complete absence of regard for at least half of those people that you include as Americans.
Actually, I should be content to merely disregard them, but I'm genetically programmed to viscerally hate them. I didn't choose my own DNA. It's what my strong conscience requires me to do.


PoliTaker, you have a level of optimism that every bit of my life's experience clearly shows me is unwarranted. Your life can't have been THAT much different than mine. Obviously, then, your standards of acceptability have to be completely different.

Keep posting though. I will. There will be no meaningful debate coming from it--of that I'm positive--but at least we can vent.
 
Granule said:
For the Left, "Unity" means only one thing: "Embrace our way of thinking or we will destroy you".
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Not in my case. Fuck unity.

I say, embrace your own perverted values in a new, partitioned Red State America.
Wallow gleefully in your own perversion.

Blue State America can live very well as a separate nation.
 
Hello NiftyNiblick,

NiftyNiblick said:
It appears that our standards of acceptability, PoliTalker, have virtually no overlap. I don't see any at all.

You don't find the 70 million+ Trump voters to be as vile as Trump himself. I do, and I make not a single exception.
I have purged friends of fifty years and more, close to violently in some cases, from my life---with no regrets other than having once been that poor of a character judge in choosing friends.

You can be happy living in a nation with all those Trumpanzees slithering around in it. I would never want to be that tolerant of disgracefulness and perversion.
I know of no mechanism that I can apply to reduce my standards to that level.
Everything must be valued in qualitative terms. There is no absolute value to life. Having voted for Trump is a perfect indication of having a valueless life,

You say that most Americans don't want to partition, but I would bring to your attention my perfectly complete absence of regard for at least half of those people that you include as Americans.
Actually, I should be content to merely disregard them, but I'm genetically programmed to viscerally hate them. I didn't choose my own DNA. It's what my strong conscience requires me to do.


PoliTaker, you have a level of optimism that every bit of my life's experience clearly shows me is unwarranted. Your life can't have been THAT much different than mine. Obviously, then, your standards of acceptability have to be completely different.

Keep posting though. I will. There will be no meaningful debate coming from it--of that I'm positive--but at least we can vent.
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Well, the way it works for me is I do not judge people. I judge what they do. I make a distinction. The honest feelings I have for Trump are that I feel sorry for him. I can clearly see that he does not enjoy life and is not happy. He's got all this money and power, gets his way on everything he wants, but he is still not happy. I have a pretty modest life compared to his and I love my life. My life features true love and companionship, and a great circle of friends. He knows none of that. I, of modest means, truly feel sorry for he, of great wealth. My life is as low stress as I can make it; his is stress overload. If I could have all his wealth, but had to take on his stress? I would turn it down. That would be a bad deal.

I have friends and relatives who voted for him. These are people I have loved and respected for far longer than the President Trump era. I am not about to sever long standing relationships over a one-term wonder, an oddity of presidents. My relationships are more important to me than my politics. I don't hate them. I just think they've made a mistake.

I have been wronged before and probably will be again. I decided long ago that holding grudges only hurts me, not the person I might be begrudging. I learned to forgive. It has been fabulous. I can truly let things go that others would never be able to. I consider that ability a bedrock to having a low stress life. If somebody truly annoys me I just try to distance myself from them. That's why I use the Ignore feature so adeptly.

The ability to let things go and forgive, even if I never tell the person I am forgiving, has been the single most powerful tool in my enjoyment of life efforts. To know that holding a grudge only hurts me; and to be able to conquer that urge and really just not do it, well, it's fabulous. I have a very wonderful and peaceful life and it's not by accident. I figured out how to do it; and I did what was needed. I created the life I love; and I did it on purpose. I am an atheist, so it was up to me to look out for my own psyche. I am not getting life-coached by a pastor. Instead, I have selected traits in people I admire and tried to pattern my own habits after them. Glad I did. It's working great. Even my posting style is patterned after posters of my past that I have admired.

I know a lot of people come here to vent. I have been the target for some of that. I brush it off as if it were nothing. It really is nothing to me. I don't really have any venting to do. I am mainly drawn to this place for the learning and interaction with interesting minds. Helps me stay abreast of politics, stay informed.

I see the people who come here to vent, I see them vent, and I see that it appears to not decrease the pressure they carry. The venting does not appear to be effective because it is never enough to satisfy what drives it. The venting goes on and on with no end. If it really accomplished it's goal it would not have to be repeated without end.

Not all Trump voters are like the mean posters here. There are a lot of hard working people whose efforts make America great. Our country could not function without them. To me, there has to be a way that they fit into the larger picture of America. I can't picture our nation without them. Police, firefighters, construction workers, military people, front line workers, blue collar people. Doctors and executives, too. These are productive people who contribute to our society. Our nation would be less without them. Sure, we disagree, but I don't feel hatred coming from all of them, nor do I hate them. We just disagree and that's OK.

Diversity makes America great. I say that because I know it is true. There is a place for everybody in America.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Not in my case. Fuck unity.

I say, embrace your own perverted values in a new, partitioned Red State America.
Wallow gleefully in your own perversion.

Blue State America can live very well as a separate nation.
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You diapered assholes wouldn't last 3 months without us. lol
 
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