What evidence exists that unity is possible?

[Ross Dolan]

That has got to be one of the most glaring cases of circular reasoning I've seen in quite some time.

Really?

You must be new to the Internet.

Is it also the most glaring case of laughing in your face?

Now, can you actually answer the question, or is it a case of you got nothing?

Yes.

 

[TTQ64]

White people need to stop being soo racist, hateful and exclusive before we can ever unite.

they have made the country what it is today PERIOT!

 

[TOP]

White people need to stop being soo racist, hateful and exclusive before we can ever unite.

they have made the country what it is today PERIOT!

You must despise Joe, then....

 

[Into the Night]

Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.
If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.
All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.
It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.
Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?
You're not going to do it.
It's not possible to do.
Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.

The founders did envision this. That's why they did not give the government authority to ban any guns or other weapon.

 

[Into the Night]

America needs leadership. The fascist fantasy will fall away.

The Democrats are trying to implement fascism by oligarchy. They want to destroy the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Change in demographics. Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, all voted for Biden. that's a big block

The election has not yet been decided.

 

[Into the Night]

Things change. They can change for the better. Obama started this divide.

This goes all the way back to Johnson. Obama sure made it worse though.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no need to even try. Trump's sycophantic supporters are hopeless lovers of authoritarianism who stood by and said nothing as he attempted to destroy the USPS in order to steal the election. Not a shred of patriotism between the lot of them. They are the minority who has had their 15 minutes and now its over! They support the POS who lied about a fatal virus which caused a death tally that equals eighty-one 911's and sixty-thousand Benghazis. Screw 'em as they belong on the fringes forevermore. History will look back on them with revulsion.

Trump did not attempt to destroy the USPS. Trump did not lie about Covid19. Neither did he create the virus, and he cannot command it.

 

[Matt Dillon]

White people need to stop being soo racist, hateful and exclusive before we can ever unite.

they have made the country what it is today PERIOT!

That's quite the level of hate and resentment you're exhibiting there.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't think the divide is as bad as the media presents it to be and despite Trump's most earnest attempt to present otherwise. My coworkers are divided politically but they get along. Same with my family.

Realistically, we all have the same goals. We all want to live free in a free, economically prosperous, and safe society. The difference is in how we approach this goal. If people can learn to talk again without the rhetoric and the conspiracy theories, we can move forward.

Is that why Democrats are building lists of enemies and dissidents?

 

[Into the Night]

White people need to stop being soo racist, hateful and exclusive before we can ever unite.

they have made the country what it is today PERIOT!

Racism. Go stuff it.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Is that why Democrats are building lists of enemies and dissidents?

When they start coming for them, it's time to act.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

First...show me where I said that "freedom" leads to anarchy and chaos. When you cannot (because you cannot) quote what I actually wrote...and I will respond.

Egad, working with ignorant jerk-offs like you is so trying.

libertarianism is freedom.............you know this.........if you have information to the contrary, I would love to see it. until such time, all I can see is you're terrified of freedom.......

 

[Jack]

That post up above was intended for you, Jack. Sorry I screwed it up.

Thanks, Frank.

 

[Ross Dolan]

libertarianism is freedom.............you know this.........if you have information to the contrary, I would love to see it. until such time, all I can see is you're terrified of freedom.......

Libertarianism is not freedom.

You were unable to find me saying what you lied about me saying (as I said you would not be able to do)...so you are pretending you are just translating the word "Libertarianism" into "freedom."

You are pathetic for attempting to do that, but I understand. After all, you are a fucking moron.

I am not terrified of freedom. I love freedom. I do not like anarchy or chaos. Assholes like you tend to want to extend freedom...into chaos and anarchy.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Because they are career politicians. How does that "seem silly" to you? It's a logical conclusion.

Career politicians are in the business for all sorts of reasons, and most of them could make better money and do less work robbing the mugs as capitalists. Was Lincoln in it for the money, for instance?

 

[Matt Dillon]

Career politicians are in the business for all sorts of reasons, and most of them could make better money and do less work robbing the mugs as capitalists. Was Lincoln in it for the money, for instance?

How the fuck would I know what Lincoln was in it for?

I know this: Trump is not in it for the money.

Biden IS in it for the money. He's been in Washington for 47 years..has he made things better? For himself, yes.

What has Biden done that's good for the US in 47 years?

I had hmm..a cousin's husband that got into politics for a couple years and then got right back out because everything is so crooked.
He's a good dude and didn't wanna mess with that!

To put the question you asked me on your level: Was Castro in it for the money, or something else?

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

How the fuck would I know what Lincoln was in it for?

I know this: Trump is not in it for the money.

Biden IS in it for the money. He's been in Washington for 47 years..has he made things better? For himself, yes.

What has Biden done that's good for the US in 47 years?

Mr Biden appears to be a decent human being who wants to improve things, by working a ludicrous system. Fair play, a high proportion of politicians start off that way, though many get cynical. Trump is in it out of an unbelievable sense of personal inadequacy, I'd reckon. He thinks that if he can get time-servers to grovel, he'll be happy, but he never will, I'm afraid, poor old bugger. A country so many of whose people are descended from those who failed at home and went there after easy money does encourage these fantasies about politicians, alas, but in fact they're a mixture, like everyone else, and the danger with them is not standard American greed but the urge to power. I'd have thought that was pretty obvious, frankly.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Mr Biden appears to be a decent human being who wants to improve things, by working a ludicrous system. Fair play, a high proportion of politicians start off that way, though many get cynical. Trump is in it out of an unbelievable sense of personal inadequacy, I'd reckon. He thinks that if he can get time-servers to grovel, he'll be happy, but he never will, I'm afraid, poor old bugger. A country so many of whose people are descended from those who failed at home and went there after easy money does encourage these fantasies about politicians, alas, but in fact they're a mixture, like everyone else, and the danger with them is not standard American greed but the urge to power. I'd have thought that was pretty obvious, frankly.

I'll have to pick apart all the bullshit in this post later, it's too much for now.


For now, I'll say that this country was founded by people that made something out of nothing and had a strong belief in God. Nobody came to to the US for "easy money", they came here for Christian religious freedom. It was very hard. Where the fuck is this asshat I'm replying to from?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello NiftyNiblick,

Today's America is two incompatible nations trying--with no success--to live within the same borders and under the same government.

Each side subscribes to ideology that has zero overlap with the ideology of the opposite side.

Neither side can make sufficient concessions to the other without completely abandoning the principles that allow its members to even live with themselves and sleep at night.

Agreed.

Whoever wins a presidential election, 49.75% of the electorate will viscerally hate the new president.

Disagree. Some people will hate, others will refrain from judgement and instead simply disapprove of what has been done.

If the new president of either party does not have his/her own party in control of both legislative bodies, he/she can pass no legislation.

Not true. They simply cannot pass anything that both sides do not agree to. This forces both sides to look for common ground. It ensures that what does pass is more likely to stand.

If the new president doesn't have his/her own party controlling the senate. he/she can get no appointments confirmed.

Not true. Both sides know that they can get more done if they compromise. Both sides know they need to get things done or they will be seen as ineffective in the eyes of their voters.

All governance is limited to what can be accomplished by executive orders, and a hostile SCOTUS can halt even that.

There is no 'hostile SCOTUS.' The Justices know that once they are seated they no longer owe anything to anybody. Justice Roberts was counted on to kill the ACA, but ruled otherwise. Barrett may surprise people. We just don't know.

If the founders could have envisioned this, they'd have known that they were giving us a pig shit constitution in terms of form of government.

They knew it needed to be a living breathing document so they gave us the power to Amend.

It seemed progressive at the time, but virtually EVERY newer democracy has more efficient government.

That is easier in smaller countries.

Even then, virtually none of those has as polarized a citizenry.

So tell me, those of you who preach unity,

How the hell do you unify this country?

The same way we got so divided. SLOWLY!

You're not going to do it.

We don't know the future.

It's not possible to do.

We don't know what we can do until we try. Sometimes we surprise ourselves. We have to try.

Trying to do it is time better spent on more possible solutions.
PARTITION is the only one of them that needn't involve violence...
but violence remains on the table nonetheless.

America has conservatives and liberals in every State, every city. We are all mixed in together. There is no neat dividing line which can be drawn anywhere in the nation. It is impossible to practically divide up. This idea cannot be forced on families which often include views from both political sides. Most families accept and love their relatives even if they disagree politically. Politicians come and go, politics change, but families are for life. Some families are estranged over politics, but most value their family bonds over politics.

Loving America too much to split it up is, in reality, hating it to the point of making it unlivable.

America is fabulously livable. It merely falls on each individual to put together their own lovable life. It is entirely possible. Most Americans do not want to break up the country.