What if Obamacare is voted down by the Supreme Court?

SmarterThanYou said:
no he's not. for idiot liberals like derp, the 1st Amendment is the most important. liberals don't believe in property rights, gun rights, or personal rights unless you're black or undocumented.
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Why not try to enhance your credibility instead of pathologicaly lying about what you think liberals believe? The only beliefs you know are true are your own.
I am quite over being told what I "really" believe by you, and will not be letting this issue go anytime soon. Prepare to be brought about every time I notice these lies.
 
Derp Derp said:
Math isn't your thing is it Tinkerbell? Holy shit, having everyone sharing the cost of health care by paying insurance would substantially reduce cost for everyone. What an incredibly stupid thing to say! LOL
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It does nothing to reduce the costs Mutt. You are doing nothing to address what is causing costs to rise. But please, do highlight how adding 30 million people to insurance is going to reduce costs.
 
Superfreak said:
The funniest part of Mutt's comment is that a mandate does nothing (note liberals, I took the time to bold it for emphasis rather than using caps... we do want to keep those panties unbunched) to lower costs. Yet he proclaims it is the most 'affective' way. It does nothing to address the cause of rising costs. The only way that a mandate can lower costs is if you have Snyderman in charge of telling us who is deserving of what medical procedures. Because clearly she wants to be the judge for what is best for each individual.
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You are right. However, a single payer system would have reduced costs by 30% in administative fees alone, but your side made sure it was "not on the table".
 
SmarterThanYou said:
you sadly are correct in one respect, and wrong in another. 'sheeple' don't much care about the enemy combatant or assassination issue because they ignorantly think 'it can't happen to me', therefore it doesn't concern them too much. fuck with their money though, and people will take notice.
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Funny thing is , it doesn't fuck with their money. If you are poor enough, you don't have to pay the fine. If you are not so poor, you already have insurance.
If not poor but still don't have insurance, you are stupidly dangerous to yourself and others.
 
Rune said:
You are right. However, a single payer system would have reduced costs by 30% in administative fees alone, but your side made sure it was "not on the table".
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The part you are forgetting is that if you remove the private side, you also remove the subsidies the private sector provides.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
no, everyone does NOT enter the health care market, and it's also just as possible that people enter the police services or fire services market. so your 'apples and oranges' just became apples and apples.

what would you know about precedent? I can point out some cases where the precedent also states that the feds can't force people or the states to do something.
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I disagree. Every once in a blue moon there's a human interest story circulating about some schmo who lived to be 99, smoked, drank, ate fatty foods and never once visited a doctor during his whole life. But that's the exception to the rule. Most people have been in the system at some point, from prenatal care to death.
 
We pretty much have a SCOTUS of one. Kennedy will be making the deciding vote and isn't reliably liberal or conservative so he pretty much is the only one that counts at the moment.
 
Superfreak said:
Oh look, we are about to have yet another liberal proclaim Libertarians to be sexist and racist. How cute.
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Well, we already had a libertarian proclaim "liberals don't believe in property rights, gun rights, or personal rights unless you're black or undocumented", so suck it up.
 
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