What is hell?

Daylight63 said:
You know I once lived through an ATOMIC BLAST EVENT. Yup. I was in the kitchen and my hand touched the stove and got real hot. There was no atomic blast but, like you, I IDENTIFY as if I survived one.

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LOL. NDE without the D and the N is just an E.

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So @Dutch Uncle : when you took your trip to HEAVEN to see Jesus and the Saints, did you also see what hell would be like? Can you bring it around to the topic of the OP?

Did your guide (presumably VIrgil) show you a lot of stuff?
 
Daylight63 said:
And there are almost no atheists who do that.
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Every last one I've ever met - including you. Particularly when they find that one is agnostic. Your faith hates Christians, but it is agnostics that cause zealot Atheists to come unglued.

Daylight63 said:
The only ones I can name are Dawkins and Harris. Hitchens is gone.
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Well, that and their followers - you for instance.

Daylight63 said:
Meanwhile your side has so many they have MEGACHURCHES and PROSELTYZING ON THE TV EVERY WEEK. You literally have the field and you whine that atheists dare even let you know they exist.
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Like a good little fanatic, you've assigned me to the "enemy" because I didn't kneel in worship to your faith. Finding an Atheist who is a zealot is easy. Finding one who is not has proven nigh impossible.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Every last one I've ever met - including you.
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Actually then you are wrong! You see I make it a POLICY (and have for about the last 20 years) that I would NEVER want to deconvert a Believer. NEVER.

I love to talk about atheism and I will agree that at times I express some degree of annoyance with religion, but I am ALSO 100% clear in that I find many things of VALUE in the Bible. A lot of evil, but a lot of good, too.

Uncensored2008 said:
Particularly when they find that one is agnostic.
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Nah, I just like needling fake agnostics who take the position so they don't have to worry about offending God accidentally. LOL ;)
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The only thing I recollect was Elisabeth Kübler-Ross' book "On Death and Dying" but mainly the five stages of grief. Reportedly, there was a final chapter in the book dealing with NDE's but she took advice to remove it. Later she wrote more on the subject which, at the time, stretched credulity. While the psychological and physiological stages of dying can be scientifically studied, the transcendental stuff is only anecdotal.

My NDE didn't suddenly transform me into a believer. Mostly it dumbfounded me and I sought to understand it through logical, scientific means. Robert Ornstein's book, "The Psychology of Consciousness" had a greater impact upon me than Kübler-Ross'.

My philosophy classes also had a strong impact upon me. I didn't, and still don't, buy the concept of God as a king on a golden throne as taught in Christian ideology. Eastern philosophy, stripped of woo-woo, was more attractive to me. Especially Zen. It comes down to the fact, like all spirituality, NDEs are more about belief than fact with little hope of gathering facts anytime soon.
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Confucius famously said we still don't understand life, how are we supposed to understand death.

Belief is a loaded word that gets a bad rap.

There's a big difference between blind belief, and belief based on evidence or logical deduction.

Everyone has beliefs which can't be proven. Science is based on a belief that the universe is, or should be, rationally intelligible. I believe cars are going to stop at red lights, and not t-bone me, because I have evidence for that belief.
 
Cypress said:
Confucius famously said we still don't understand life, how are we supposed to understand death.

Belief is a loaded word that gets a bad rap.

There's a big difference between blind belief, and belief based on evidence or logical deduction.

Everyone has beliefs which can't be proven. Science is based on a belief that the universe is, or should be, rationally intelligible. I believe cars are going to stop at red lights, and not t-bone me, because I have evidence for that belief.
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Add to that spiritual beliefs; the belief that some things can't be explained by logic or science.
 
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