What is hell?

[Into the Night]

A PhD in sock puppets is another achievement of Perry.

You can't blame your socks on anybody else, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

That has nothing to do with hell from the perspective of agnostics and atheists.

If you want to get angry about reproductive rights, get mad about that. That doesn't explain getting mad about hell.

Still doesn't explain it.
If you want to get angry about civil rights, get mad about civil rights. That doesn't explain anything about getting mad about hell. If you don't believe in God or religion of any kind, it's unfathomable why you would get angry about a hell which does not exist.

He never mentioned reproductive rights, Sybil. He is a believer in the Church of No God, among other religions.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I am not you, Sybil.

Of course, you're not, son. You're simply insane.

 

[Into the Night]

It seems to me some of the fundamentalist evangelical churches use fire and brimstone to scare people into the pews.

Really?? How much sulfur to they buy every year?

On the other hand, it doesn't seem consistent to complain that God allows a world to have evil in it, but then also complain when God judges and punishes evil.

It is completely consistent. The choice is yours. That is also given by God. You are free to choose for yourself. You are not free of the consequences of any choice.

 

[Into the Night]

Of course, you're not, son. You're simply insane.

I am not you, Sybil. You can't blame your problem on anybody else.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I am not you, Sybil. You can't blame your problem on anybody else.

Of course not, son. How could you be?

 

[IBDaMann]

Hell is the 21st Century United States of America.

Your problem is that almost always you get polar opposites confused. On the one hand, you want America made great, and when it starts to happen, you refer to it as "Hell" and you feel the need to blame those who gave you what you wanted.

Your world of hurt is of your own making.

At least 77 million+ entities who somehow qualify as American citizens are actually steaming piles of pigshit at their moral and intellectual essence.

You demonize others for not being as confused as you are.

I regret not having the communicative skills to even begin to describe my seething hatred for them.

You resent others for being able to make America great. The word for that is "envy."

 

[IBDaMann]

The choice is yours. That is also given by God. You are free to choose for yourself. You are not free of the consequences of any choice.

So when one chooses to cheer on a genocide, how does God judge that? There have been many genocides throughout history. How did God judge those who did not actively participate, but threw in their full support to fuel it? Does God judge differently when His chosen people are the active perpetrators of the genocide? I imagine so, right?

 

[IBDaMann]

If Hell exists then GOD CREATED IT. If God created it is 100% His idea and His plan.

Did God create it? Did God create your house and did God decorate it?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Of course, you're not, son. You're simply insane.

Both simple and insane, actually.

 

[Daylight63]

Did God create it? Did God create your house and did God decorate it?

So who created it and why did God allow it to happen and to continue when it is manifestly clear that it is nothing but cruelty without merit?

 

[Daylight63]

Still doesn't explain it.

Sure it does. You just don't understand.

Seems like those two concepts are easily confused in your world.

If you want to get angry

I'm not angry. Why do you need me to be angry? Are you attempting to troll in violation of forum rules?

about civil rights, get mad about civil rights. That doesn't explain anything about getting mad about hell. If you don't believe in God or religion of any kind, it's unfathomable why you would get angry about a hell which does not exist.

At times I honestly wish you could read for context. I get it, though. You have said MANY times you don't like to read long things and so I assume everything you read you just scan.

 

[IBDaMann]

So who created it and why did God allow it to happen and to continue when it is manifestly clear that it is nothing but cruelty without merit?

I asked you those questions to better respond to your statement.

Assuming God exists, did He build and decorate your home?

 

[Into the Night]

Of course not, son. How could you be?

I am not your son either, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

So when one chooses to cheer on a genocide,

There is no genocide.

how does God judge that? There have been many genocides throughout history.

There is no genocide.

How did God judge those who did not actively participate, but threw in their full support to fuel it? Does God judge differently when His chosen people are the active perpetrators of the genocide? I imagine so, right?

There is no genocide.

 

[ZenMode]

After we're finished discussing what is hell, maybe we can discuss how much gold is at the end of the rainbow.

 

[Cypress]

I've never seen any factual evidence of magic, reincarnation or anything that violates the laws of physics. There are plenty of mysteries in the Universe, but I believe God created the laws for a purpose and gave us brains with the expectation that we'd use them.

I read about two well known cases of Hindu children who claimed to remember details of their previous families, their previous villages, and how they previously died in childhood - details that the children shouldn't have known about and were supposedly corroborated by multiple adults.

There was an American psychiatrist who investigated these and other claims of incarnation, and while he found there wasn't enough independent corroborating evidence and there was reason to be skeptical, he still thought is was worth further study. I myself am skeptical.

 

[Cypress]

Sure it does. You just don't understand.

Seems like those two concepts are easily confused in your world.

No, nothing about abortion, school prayer, gay marriage explains why you would be angry and annoyed about Hell, a place and concept you don't even believe in. You should be angry about those policies, not about Catholic or Buddhist traditions about Hell.

I'm not angry.

Choose whatever word you want Perry: angry, annoyed, stressed out, aggravated. You obviously are emotionally-invested in any discussion of Hell.
Curiously, even though you don't believe in any religion, creed, or catechism, you still get really aggravated about the concept of Hell, even though it has no bearing on your life.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Let me explain it to you then.

Currently our country is beholden to a religious subsect that has had an outsized impact on women's bodily autonomy. Now they are dipping their toes into other legislation in Texas in relation to "morality".

These people often have as their guiding principal that their God will be a fierce partisan for them and punish whoever stands in their way with eternal torment. But more importantly they feel that if they FAIL TO GET OTHERS TO BELIEVE AS THEY DO they will potentially fail their God.

For them this isn't a fight over niceties of personal liberty, this is a fight for their IMMORTAL SOULS.

That's why those of us who follow both politics and religion push back so hard against the religious excess that pushes the corrosion of our society and pulls us back into the caves.

Hope that clarifies it for you.

(ALSO: you actually do get pissed at atheists for their lack of belief which is why you constantly attack them and characterize them exclusively as "Stalin" or Mao or Pol Pot. So please don't act like your "agnosticism" has you even tempered on the topic...you can lie to yourself but we can all see it)

Nah, this is just the stereotype you and those like you have created in order to justify the bigotry and hatred you spread about the "infidels" who refuse to bow to your religion.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I read about two well known cases of Hindu children who claimed to remember details of their previous families, their previous villages, and how they previously died in childhood - details that the children shouldn't have known about and were supposedly corroborated by multiple adults.

There was an American psychiatrist who investigated these and other claims of incarnation, and while he found there wasn't enough independent corroborating evidence and there was reason to be skeptical, he still thought is was worth further study. I myself am skeptical.

I'm highly skeptical of reincarnation. It'd be more likely IMO that the people were somehow contacted with the past than a spirit has returned to this plane. Still, there's zero factual evidence to back up either idea.