What makes unalienable rights “unalienable?”

[Robo]

What makes unalienable rights “unalienable?”

“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all Men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The second paragraph of our Declaration Of Independence says it all. It reminds us all that without a “creator” there is no such thing as unalienable rights. Thus, our entire concept of rights being incapable of being taken away is only secured by a belief in a creator of all Men, as all members of the human race without regard for sex. It was those words that ended slavery and incorporated “All Men” into the concept of unalienable rights without regard for race or creed, but the concept of a creator is in and of itself unalienable to have the unalienable power to guarantee unalienable rights to all Men. Otherwise, all Men would have to rely on human government for any guarantee of any rights, an exercise in futility to say the least.

Thus, to deny the “creator” is to deny any logical concept of unalienable rights. Think about that before you vote. Who among our politicians holds the concept of a creator as being a self evident truth? Who among our politicians holds the concept of all Men being created equal as an endowment of our creator? Who among our politicians holds America’s founding principles as “truths.” Who are the real traditional Americans? Who are America’s true patriots? If we know our history, we know the answers to all of those questions.

 

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So you are telling us the Founding Fathers, a good number who were deists and agnostics, and who went out of their way to purposely separate Church and State, equated your 21st Century image of God with their understanding of "Creator?"

I do believe they are referring to Locke here and his concept of natural rights, Platonic concepts existing in nature before and after man, notice they didn't specify God, rather "Creator," never implying the two were the same

 

[Robo]

So you are telling us the Founding Fathers, a good number who were deists and agnostics, and who went out of their way to purposely separate Church and State, equated your 21st Century image of God with their understanding of "Creator?"

I do believe they are referring to Locke here and his concept of natural rights, Platonic concepts existing in nature before and after man, notice they didn't specify God, rather "Creator," never implying the two were the same

And Locke's "natural rights" are guaranteed by who? Men only have two choices for identifying the source of their rights. Their creator, or their government. The former instituted in all law is a guarantee of unalienable rights superior to human government. "In god we trust" on our money, symbolism of the Ten Commandments in our courts of law. Congress's opening prayers before every session. These are America's traditions and values. These were the agreed foundation for a "more perfect government." I think it's absurd to insinuate anything differently. Most all men are at least agnostic much of the time, the founders were no different. Still they knew their rights were justified and guaranteed by a power more powerful and just than humankind. Call it God, or nature, or another superior dimension, or intelligent design, but without it, you're left with government and a trust for only the insane.

 

[archives]

And Locke's "natural rights" are guaranteed by who? Men only have two choices for identifying the source of their rights. Their creator, or their government. The former instituted in all law is a guarantee of unalienable rights superior to human government. "In god we trust" on our money, symbolism of the Ten Commandments in our courts of law. Congress's opening prayers before every session. These are America's traditions and values. These were the agreed foundation for a "more perfect government." I think it's absurd to insinuate anything differently. Most all men are at least agnostic much of the time, the founders were no different. Still they knew their rights were justified and guaranteed by a power more powerful and just than humankind. Call it God, or nature, or another superior dimension, or intelligent design, but without it, you're left with government and a trust for only the insane.

They preexisted man, guess you missed the Platonic reference, part of the natural world, Locke didn't say God given, nor did the Founding Fathers, you are defining "creator" in terms of your current religious understanding

Why does your God take precedent over another's image of God?

 

[rjhenn]

What makes unalienable rights “unalienable?”

“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all Men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The second paragraph of our Declaration Of Independence says it all. It reminds us all that without a “creator” there is no such thing as unalienable rights. Thus, our entire concept of rights being incapable of being taken away is only secured by a belief in a creator of all Men, as all members of the human race without regard for sex. It was those words that ended slavery and incorporated “All Men” into the concept of unalienable rights without regard for race or creed, but the concept of a creator is in and of itself unalienable to have the unalienable power to guarantee unalienable rights to all Men. Otherwise, all Men would have to rely on human government for any guarantee of any rights, an exercise in futility to say the least.

Thus, to deny the “creator” is to deny any logical concept of unalienable rights. Think about that before you vote. Who among our politicians holds the concept of a creator as being a self evident truth? Who among our politicians holds the concept of all Men being created equal as an endowment of our creator? Who among our politicians holds America’s founding principles as “truths.” Who are the real traditional Americans? Who are America’s true patriots? If we know our history, we know the answers to all of those questions.

It's certainly not Trump.

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[rjhenn]

And Locke's "natural rights" are guaranteed by who? Men only have two choices for identifying the source of their rights. Their creator, or their government. The former instituted in all law is a guarantee of unalienable rights superior to human government. "In god we trust" on our money, symbolism of the Ten Commandments in our courts of law. Congress's opening prayers before every session. These are America's traditions and values. These were the agreed foundation for a "more perfect government." I think it's absurd to insinuate anything differently. Most all men are at least agnostic much of the time, the founders were no different. Still they knew their rights were justified and guaranteed by a power more powerful and just than humankind. Call it God, or nature, or another superior dimension, or intelligent design, but without it, you're left with government and a trust for only the insane.

No God has ever guaranteed any rights. That's entirely up to us.

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[jimmymccready]

Let's correct some mistakes here.

(1) We are governed by a secular Constitution, so our rights are governed by the paper.

(2) All Founders except Jefferson, Franklin, Allen, and Paine were nominally Christian, from incredibly passive like Morris and Washington and Madison to neo-evangelical yahoos like Patrick Henry and John Jay.

We the People guarantee our rights as Trump is going to find out.

 

[StoneByStone]

What makes unalienable rights “unalienable?”

The government.

 

[domer76]

What makes unalienable rights “unalienable?”

“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all Men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The second paragraph of our Declaration Of Independence says it all. It reminds us all that without a “creator” there is no such thing as unalienable rights. Thus, our entire concept of rights being incapable of being taken away is only secured by a belief in a creator of all Men, as all members of the human race without regard for sex. It was those words that ended slavery and incorporated “All Men” into the concept of unalienable rights without regard for race or creed, but the concept of a creator is in and of itself unalienable to have the unalienable power to guarantee unalienable rights to all Men. Otherwise, all Men would have to rely on human government for any guarantee of any rights, an exercise in futility to say the least.

Thus, to deny the “creator” is to deny any logical concept of unalienable rights. Think about that before you vote. Who among our politicians holds the concept of a creator as being a self evident truth? Who among our politicians holds the concept of all Men being created equal as an endowment of our creator? Who among our politicians holds America’s founding principles as “truths.” Who are the real traditional Americans? Who are America’s true patriots? If we know our history, we know the answers to all of those questions.

All rights are alienable. And the words about men being equal and possessing rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were lies before the ink was dry.

Gullible dumbfuck.

 

[Bill]

And Locke's "natural rights" are guaranteed by who? Men only have two choices for identifying the source of their rights. Their creator, or their government. The former instituted in all law is a guarantee of unalienable rights superior to human government. "In god we trust" on our money, symbolism of the Ten Commandments in our courts of law. Congress's opening prayers before every session. These are America's traditions and values. These were the agreed foundation for a "more perfect government." I think it's absurd to insinuate anything differently. Most all men are at least agnostic much of the time, the founders were no different. Still they knew their rights were justified and guaranteed by a power more powerful and just than humankind. Call it God, or nature, or another superior dimension, or intelligent design, but without it, you're left with government and a trust for only the insane.

Not until 1956...

I think you ask a very good question..

SO how is it guaranteed & what does guaranteed actually mean for citizens??

 

[Gonzomin]

Not until 1956...

I think you ask a very good question..

SO how is it guaranteed & what does guaranteed actually mean for citizens??

https://constitutioncenter.org/lear...he-constitution-a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it
Nothing is guaranteed. Franklin answered what did they make in the Constitutional Convention "A republic if you can keep it." It was an admittance that it was at risk.

 

[Robo]

They preexisted man,

What preexisted man, unalienable rights? Preexisted man by what authority?

guess you missed the Platonic reference, part of the natural world,

“Natural world” as created by? Did Plato identify the creator?

Locke didn't say God given, nor did the Founding Fathers, you are defining "creator" in terms of your current religious understanding.

On the contrary! How do you know who, or if I even believe in a “god?” Did I mention a god aside from leaving that identity to others?

I’m simply arguing that our founders most apparently agreed that “unalienable” rights are “endowed” i.e. “guaranteed” by a higher power than mankind. How we identify that higher power is absolutely determined by how we as individuals determine “WHO” i.e. “WHAT” that higher power is.

Why does your God take precedent over another's image of God?

Why have you made that determination?

 

[Robo]

It's certainly not Trump.

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OK child, you're on record about that.

 

[Robo]

No God has ever guaranteed any rights. That's entirely up to us.

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Leftist believe Men are the universe's "HIGHEST" power, right? That's why leftist should never, ever control the seats of any governance anywhere. They have zero principles, conscience or integrity, they're simply power lusting tyrants!

 

[Truth Detector]

So you are telling us the Founding Fathers, a good number who were deists and agnostics, and who went out of their way to purposely separate Church and State, equated your 21st Century image of God with their understanding of "Creator?"

I do believe they are referring to Locke here and his concept of natural rights, Platonic concepts existing in nature before and after man, notice they didn't specify God, rather "Creator," never implying the two were the same

There is no "separation clause" in the Constitution you dullard.

 

[Truth Detector]

No God has ever guaranteed any rights. That's entirely up to us.

What a profoundly stupid statement; that man can guarantee rights. You really are an idiot on steroids.

 

[Truth Detector]

We the People guarantee our rights as Trump is going to find out.

Another willful mental midget who thinks MEN can guarantee our unalienable rights. Moron.

 

[domer76]

Leftist believe Men are the universe's "HIGHEST" power, right? That's why leftist should never, ever control the seats of any governance anywhere. They have zero principles, conscience or integrity, they're simply power lusting tyrants!

Find anything in the Constitution about a god, creator or higher power, idiot.

 

[Truth Detector]

The government.

Tell that to the millions who have died at the hands of their governments. Another mental midget who remains uneducated by our liberal educational establishment.

 

[Truth Detector]

All rights are alienable. And the words about men being equal and possessing rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were lies before the ink was dry.

Gullible dumbfuck.

IRONY.